Is the yokoyama school commonly faked

[lonely panet]

???? 

Looking at buying a wak, but has greenies

[David Flynn]

Depends on the smiths.  Known fakes,  Sukenaga and Sukekane.

[lonely panet]

A sukesada. From a well known Japanese base ebay seller that mainly sells greenies

[Bugyotsuji]

Gotta ask, but what are greenies?

[David Flynn]

Tokubetsu kicho, I assume.

[Bugyotsuji]

See this thread: Quiz question about Bizen blades, if you’re bored 😑 - The Izakaya - Nihonto Message Board (militaria.co.za)

 

[lonely panet]

[Bugyotsuji]

Ah, blueys and greenies! 

 

Thanks!!!

 

PS Among Sukesada be careful of fake 'Kozuke Daijo' especially... (Extra caution)

[lonely panet]

Thanks guys

[Alex A]

Looking at the image, it certainly has the Yokoyama vibe with the Yakidashi.

 

For me you have a few options.

 

Ask for more details, get the books etc out and work it out yourself and live with the papers, just see if it all adds up.

 

Or, if in Japan offer to pay for current shinsa, if it passes you will buy it. Re-sale will be much easier.

 

What i have found in the past is that sellers in Japan on ebay seldom go the extra mile with enquiries. For various reasons, from language barrier to they know a sword is gimei, and so on.

 

It looks interesting and strikes me as one to look into, for sure. Looks potentially a nice blade anyways.

 

[lonely panet]

i thought i would ask because apart for the blues/green papars the work does look like yokoyama bizen. 

 

i know its not a diamond in the rough,  and that fact yokoyama isnt the hight of the the bizen tradition but  thought  it was worth a secand look. 

 

who else would make gunome like that?

[Bugyotsuji]

It’s Kōzuke Daijo Sukesada, who despite being Shinto, is becoming more and more highly regarded. He was extremely versatile, another genius in the Sukesada line.

[Alex A]

Don't know much about this smiths work without spending an whole lot of time looking into it.

 

If you look closely you will see some peaks of the hamon that resemble "crab claws", which is a known kantei point for this smith, though would expect maybe the next generation to produce similar hamon in one way or another.

 

All i can say is it could be genuine or perhaps a mumei sword from that school where someone has added a gimei. 

 

Something ive become more aware of lately is the little known smiths that worked around the more well known smiths, helped out but seem to get little mention.

 

Folks like little known Yokoyama Sukenari working alongside Sukenaga. Theres a yari for sale at the moment by an Hizen Smith called Tadasada, id never even heard of him. He worked along side the more well known smiths in the famous Hizen school. 

 

Point being, sometimes its hard to know exactly who made what, without a legit mei. Even then students signed daimei.

 

You really will need to know the fine details and need far better images than the one above and do some serious digging.

[lonely panet]

simular work from a sukesada but the mei is far apart,, but i think ill bit and try and buy it

[David Flynn]

I'm fortunate to have a Daisho, by Kozuke Daijo Sukesada.  I posted photos on another topic.   I will have a look and get back.

[Alex A]

The main thing is your happy with the sword and its priced accordingly.

 

If it were genuine then you would be talking maybe upwards of $3500.

 

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

If you search on the forum about Yokoyama Daijo Sukesada, there is a good note about how he signed the last characters in a particular way. 

[lonely panet]

Thanks David,

 

I was thinking of this as a study/catch and release because being a fan of osafune bizen im completely ignorant in Yokohama bizen.