Requesting Info about new sword I bought , and if it's a katana at 59.7 cm , junk shirisaya mumei

[Azaeth]

Wondering age and maybe school 

 

Measurements 

Nagasa: 59.7 cm.  Sori: 1.1 cm.

Moto-haba: 2.9 cm.  Saki-haba: 1.8 cm. 

Moto-gasane: 0.7 cm.  Saki-gasane: 0.4 cm

Edited May 28, 2024 by Azaeth
Info

[Nihonto student]

Hello Ryan,
technically it is a wakizashi, katana starts from 60.7cm nagasa (blade's edge) regarding the blade: definitely from the Mino tradition, such a regular and defined sanbonsugi hamon leads me towards a late  Kanemoto generation,  I wold say late Muromachi period but other measure of the blade like sori would be usefull.
BTW just my opinion.

 

Regards,

Giordy

[Azaeth]

Sent in more measurements , ty for the reply

[Rivkin]

Its pretty straight, transition from midare to suguha at boshi is instanteneous... Kambun shinto, maybe a bit later or earlier.

Midare gunome choji. Not the most common choice, tends to be provincial.

Probably mino derived - it does have close Bizen counterparts, but having a dominant choji in the grouping probably throws towards Mino.

 

[Azaeth]

Thanks for the info guys , I really appreciate this , also i am finding it terribly hard to find info about sending my swords somewhere for a nbthk certification , but I will check this forum now 

[Kyoto-13]

Hey Azaeth,

I just recently got some great advice from a member in this forum. I was interested in a sword from the same guy you bought from on ebay.
He listed a sword that had a fake signature and cutting test and also fake sayagaki.

I am new in this space and if I did not reach out to this member I would have lost a bit of money.

Just thought it might be helpful to share.

[SteveM]

4 hours ago, Azaeth said:

i am finding it terribly hard to find info about sending my swords somewhere for a nbthk certification , but I will check this forum now 

 

Here is some information regarding the submission schedule. 

Regarding the "nuts and bolts" of submitting your particular sword, you can look on the forum for details, but basically you will have to find an agent in Japan who will manage the importation, registration, submission, and then de-registration and export. Robert Hughes at Keichōdō can handle this (he wrote the post below). 

 

 

[Azaeth]

58 minutes ago, SteveM said:

 

Here is some information regarding the submission schedule. 

Regarding the "nuts and bolts" of submitting your particular sword, you can look on the forum for details, but basically you will have to find an agent in Japan who will manage the importation, registration, submission, and then de-registration and export. Robert Hughes at Keichōdō can handle this (he wrote the post below). 

 

 

Thank you , much appreciated 

I will message him then 

[Azaeth]

2 hours ago, Kyoto-13 said:

Hey Azaeth,

I just recently got some great advice from a member in this forum. I was interested in a sword from the same guy you bought from on ebay.
He listed a sword that had a fake signature and cutting test and also fake sayagaki.

I am new in this space and if I did not reach out to this member I would have lost a bit of money.

Just thought it might be helpful to share.

 

 

Yes he very commonly warns people against judging the blade based off of signatures and paper work ,he gets his swords sent to him as they are and just resells them  and he doesn't try to talk it up , he always says " judge on steel" and I just thought this one was beautiful and had no bells and whistles trying to trick me haha 

[2devnul]

10 hours ago, Azaeth said:

Thanks for the info guys , I really appreciate this , also i am finding it terribly hard to find info about sending my swords somewhere for a nbthk certification , but I will check this forum now 

 

I personally would not send sword bought from Komonjo on Shinsa. If sword would have potential then Komonjo would do it. In my opinion applying swords from him will be just waste of time/money. 

[Shugyosha]

11 hours ago, Azaeth said:

Thanks for the info guys , I really appreciate this , also i am finding it terribly hard to find info about sending my swords somewhere for a nbthk certification , but I will check this forum now 

 

Hi Ryan,

Could I perhaps respectfully suggest that you save your shinsa money and put it towards your next blade? Given that it is an unsigned shinto wakizashi, IMHO in all probability you aren't going to get much back from NBTHK shinsa other than a general attribution to a school and maybe, exceptionally, a rough date.

 

If you absolutely have to submit to shinsa, then you can generally get the NTHK to appraise it at one of the US sword shows, generally San Francisco but sometimes Florida too and maybe elsewhere. There's normally an NMB member who organises a mail-in service so that you don't need to be at the show in person if you're located a distance from the venue. Stateside members will be able to advise better but an initial view from the NTHK will tell you whether or not you've found a diamond in the rough and whether to persue NBTHK shinsa in Japan or not leave it at that.

 

The NTHK also generally give more information than the NBTHK do on their papers and that might appeal to you and might also make a resale easier and for a blade at this kind of level (as it appears at the moment) the NTHK paper won't be anything of a downtick compared to NBTHK Hozon.

[Azaeth]

That's great advice , I will do that then , it seems I had my organizations backwards in which one would be more worth it , and I wasn't even sure I wanted the certification just wanted more info about my pretty blade haha , but I'm pretty satisfied with the knowledge you guys have told me already 

4 hours ago, Shugyosha said:

 

Hi Ryan,

Could I perhaps respectfully suggest that you save your shinsa money and put it towards your next blade? Given that it is an unsigned shinto wakizashi, IMHO in all probability you aren't going to get much back from NBTHK shinsa other than a general attribution to a school and maybe, exceptionally, a rough date.

 

If you absolutely have to submit to shinsa, then you can generally get the NTHK to appraise it at one of the US sword shows, generally San Francisco but sometimes Florida too and maybe elsewhere. There's normally an NMB member who organises a mail-in service so that you don't need to be at the show in person if you're located a distance from the venue. Stateside members will be able to advise better but an initial view from the NTHK will tell you whether or not you've found a diamond in the rough and whether to persue NBTHK shinsa in Japan or not leave it at that.

 

The NTHK also generally give more information than the NBTHK do on their papers and that might appeal to you and might also make a resale easier and for a blade at this kind of level (as it appears at the moment) the NTHK paper won't be anything of a downtick compared to NBTHK Hozon.