Alex A Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 Just thought i would bring this Naginata to the attention of those on a tight budget. For the money, think its very good value. Naginata: Kozuke Kami Sugawara Sukekane (NBTHK Hozon Token) | Japanese Sword Shop Aoi-Art (aoijapan.com)
Alex A Posted May 27 Author Report Posted May 27 I never stated it was a bargain. Try finding a signed Naginata, in polish, with papers for £1200 in the UK. Its not happening. I think there are always reasonably priced items in that store, but that's just my opinion. 3
Jacques D. Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 This naginata has no interest other than being Japanese. It's short, made by a low-level swordsmith. You buy an object, not a price 1 2
Katsujinken Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 31 minutes ago, Jacques D. said: This naginata has no interest other than being Japanese. It's short, made by a low-level swordsmith. For some people that’s enough. Nothing wrong with that as long as they are informed. 4 2
Alex A Posted May 27 Author Report Posted May 27 Jacques, i didn't link it for high flyers like yourself. Again, as explained in the first post , Linked it for folks on a tight budget that are maybe just looking for an original signed naginata with Hozen. What have i told you about staying out of my posts? Stay out. 2
Matsunoki Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Jacques D. said: This naginata has no interest other than being Japanese. It's short, made by a low-level swordsmith. Such opinionated arrogance and disdain ……sad really. 2
Mark S. Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 His is the only way… Just another albatross post. Fly in… $h!t all over everything… fly off. 2
kissakai Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 For someone who only wants one what is there not to like Anyone who can send a link to papered, in polish naginata please reply
Jacques D. Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Matsunoki said: Such opinionated arrogance and disdain ……sad really. Not at all, I just know the difference between a work of art and a simple craft object. when you've had as many swords in your hands as I have had, you'll be talking 1 2
Alex A Posted May 27 Author Report Posted May 27 Boo, get him off The Dick Dastardly of NMB pathetic.
Matsunoki Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 37 minutes ago, Jacques D. said: simple craft object Could you make it? 2
Matsunoki Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 40 minutes ago, Jacques D. said: when you've had as many swords in your hands as I have had, you'll be talking More arrogance……a most unattractive quality of some humans.
Mark S. Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Matsunoki said: More arrogance……a most unattractive quality of some humans. He feeds and lives on it. 2
Schneeds Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 That's kind of like saying a c8 Z06 isn't a nice car because you own a Ferrari. There's a multitude of reasons to like a historic weapon. 5
Alex A Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 A vast majority of antique swords come under the "historic weapon" category. A lot of the time, not much "art", more function. Luckily, folks like yourself Erik, and the likes of NBTHK recognize they should be preserved. Horses for courses. 2
Brian Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 Can we get back on topic? Otherwise I'm going to lock this. Some of you clearly don't know how to use the ignore button.
Alex A Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 The thing about the ignore button Brian is that it don't stop him carrying on regardless Just see further comments when not logged in. If there was a way to totally block someone, id defo be up for that. Ps. I have politely asked him twice to stay away from my posts, but he carries on. Just a professional Troll. 3 1
Alex A Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 No point to this thread now, best just to delete it. Not fair to Aoi Art, being another reason. Wont pull sales ads in future.
The Blacksmith Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 I wouldn't object to owning this piece, and it is far better than either of the two that I did own forty odd years ago! I haven't fogotten my first Japanese blades, and they certainly were not of this quality, however humble it may be to some people! 1 1
Jacques D. Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 Quote That's kind of like saying a c8 Z06 isn't a nice car because you own a Ferrari. I don't agree, a Ferrari isn't an art object, it's just industrial. The difficulty on nihontô is precisely making the difference between art and simple craftsmanship. It took me over 10 years of serious study and more than 200 swords in hand to get there. in short, you could say that art begins with the rank of Jo saku. 2 1
Alex A Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 Art begins with Jo saku Utter ^^^^^ Brian, please find a way to block folks for good, cant take this any more 1
Matsunoki Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 It’s difficult to stay on topic when a perfectly valid, interesting and helpful topic gets deliberately ruined and sidetracked. The naginata was never described as “art” and for the money it is an attractive piece of history in what looks like excellent condition and with papers which many aspiring collectors would love to own. Alex is right, you’d never find similar in the UK (or elsewhere?) at that price. Not everyone can or wants to own high end swords. Why set out to ruin a thread? 1 1
Alex A Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 Think Jacques had his own forum once, from memory. Wish he still had. Rather than being intent on ruining this one. 1
Jacques D. Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 3 hours ago, Alex A said: Art begins with Jo saku Utter ^^^^^ Brian, please find a way to block folks for good, cant take this any more A valid argument to propose to the place of sarcasm?
Matsunoki Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 12 minutes ago, Jacques D. said: A valid argument to propose to the place of sarcasm? Please define exactly what an art sword is. I am a retired Meiji art dealer and have come to understand that art means many different things to different people. Definitions vary. Appreciation varies. Opinions vary. Standards vary. Judgements vary. Criteria vary. So, what is an art sword? Be specific.
Franco D Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 Come on now. How about a more educational angled discussion than argument. What's good about this sword? (Besides the price) What's bad about it? This naginata was most likely a woman's weapon based upon curvature and length to be used for self and home protection. It is ubu and signed. It passed shinsa. While the polish is nothing to write home about, it is good enough for study. The value of the shirasaya alone cuts the price of the blade down to about thousand dollars. Is this an art sword, no. It was made to be a weapon first and foremost, and that's all it was ever meant to be. So, whether you buy it or don't buy it, buy it for what it is and not for what it is not. 4 hours ago, Jacques D. said: in short, you could say that art begins with the rank of Jo saku. That's simply nonsense. How many Juyo blades are out there that were made by lower than Jo saku ranked smiths? Jussi? Anybody? Regards 3
Alex A Posted May 29 Author Report Posted May 29 Franco, there is nothing more to discuss. I presented a naginata at a fair price for folks seeking a naginata on a budget. Then it turned into this mess. Just a Naginata, not an "arty farty" masterpiece we can all talk about for days on end, for £1200 what do folks expect???????????????????????? Really wish i hadn't bothered, wont happen again. Beginning understand why folks retire Jacques. Not getting into further discussion, not when you talk nonsense. Perhaps you need to study more blades from the likes of Uda, Dotanuki smiths etc. Blanket statements and putting everything in boxes is your weakness, you need to work on it. Perhaps being more specific in future will work better for you.
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