help translate mei signature

[samusamu]

hello 

help please translate what is written in this mei

 

thank you 

regards 

marsel

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

Wow, this is hard. Accurate translation will need a charcoal or pencil rubbing of the Nakago, but if I were a gambling person, I would say this is 昭和十（八年？）something, so an early Showa one.

The maker's signature might be at the back.

[samusamu]

10 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

Wow, this is hard. Accurate translation will need a charcoal or pencil rubbing of the Nakago, but if I were a gambling person, I would say this is 昭和十（八年？）something, so an early Showa one.

The maker's signature might be at the back.

thank you for information. yes I will try to pencil rubbing and photo in other side. 

[samusamu]

33 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

Wow, this is hard. Accurate translation will need a charcoal or pencil rubbing of the Nakago, but if I were a gambling person, I would say this is 昭和十（八年？）something, so an early Showa one.

The maker's signature might be at the back.

this photo in other side

but I try to pencil rubbing but failed to see the writing more clearly.

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

Thank you for trying, rubbing is indeed very hard and takes much practice to get results.

 

The first character is 兼(Kane), not very sure about the second one, but it somewhat resembles a 次(Tsugu).

 

I am completely ignorant about Gunto for lack of interest, but I will try to see what I can find about this particular one after I finish my soy sauce braised beef. 

[samusamu]

22 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

Thank you for trying, rubbing is indeed very hard and takes much practice to get results.

 

The first character is 兼(Kane), not very sure about the second one, but it somewhat resembles a 次(Tsugu).

 

I am completely ignorant about Gunto for lack of interest, but I will try to see what I can find about this particular one after I finish my soy sauce braised beef. 

well if you want to see my first best try in rubbing hehehe.

thank you I appreciate. I really curious about this.

 

from what I know this signature Mei from tachi Mei because it's write in right side 

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

One bowl of braised beef after and I still have no clue on this. This really is a toughie.

 

Maybe someone else with more understanding of Gunto could shed their light on this.

 

I hope you can find the answer very soon.

[samusamu]

12 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

One bowl of braised beef after and I still have no clue on this. This really is a toughie.

 

Maybe someone else with more understanding of Gunto could shed their light on this.

 

I hope you can find the answer very soon.

yes thank you for you help.  I appreciate

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Kanenori？兼則... (?)

[ROKUJURO]

Marsel,

did you get that it is a World War II sword, probably made in 1943 and most likely not traditionally made ? 

[samusamu]

1 hour ago, ROKUJURO said:

Marsel,

did you get that it is a World War II sword, probably made in 1943 and most likely not traditionally made ? 

thank you. yes this sword come from shin gunto koshirae. and there is no stamps on nakago 

[Bruce Pennington]

The first photo is the date: Showa 18 or 1943.  Corrosion is to thick to see a month.

[Bruce Pennington]

Very unusual with three ana.   What kind of fittings is this blade in?

[samusamu]

12 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Very unusual with three ana.   What kind of fittings is this blade in?

the fitting come from shin gunto type 98.

 

[Bruce Pennington]

Interesting.  A puzzle.  Made in 1943, it was likely made for the 98 fittings, which would have been the top hole in your first picture.  Even if it were made for Rinji (Type 3) fittings, there would have been just 2 holes.  The middle hole is the mystery.  Blades were sold to the civil market, even during the war, and many WWII era blades are found in civil fittings, but even those usually only used 1 hole. Hm.

[samusamu]

3 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Interesting.  A puzzle.  Made in 1943, it was likely made for the 98 fittings, which would have been the top hole in your first picture.  Even if it were made for Rinji (Type 3) fittings, there would have been just 2 holes.  The middle hole is the mystery.  Blades were sold to the civil market, even during the war, and many WWII era blades are found in civil fittings, but even those usually only used 1 hole. Hm.

very interesting. thank you for information.