Two Swords - As Found - Second Sword

[Fusilier]

Here's pictures of the other sword I purchased to sell.  Any information you may have especially with regards to age and provenance would be very gratefully received.

[Bruce Pennington]

Well, David, no one has stepped up to help you on this one.  So I'll make an almost totally uneducated guess for you (that should stir the pot!)

 

Nakago has some darker patina, which usually means some age.  I don't study these, but it's not as deep as the really old ones, so maybe 1700's or 1800s?  Hard to say by just the old patina, though, as you can come across blades from the 1600s with almost no patina.  

[GeorgeLuucas]

My favorite part is the Kashira and matching kurikata, kojiri and saya fittings. They look maybe shakudo to me, but it's hard to tell from the distance in the photo. 

If I had to guess - and it's really just my beginners wild guess - i'd say: Mumei edo period wakizashi, perhaps Seki.

I hope i'm in the ballpark, but very prepared to be wrong,
All the best,

-Sam

[Matsunoki]

The en-suite metalwork fittings on  this sword are called “Han dachi” or “half Tachi” ie very similar to Tachi mounts but on a sword worn edge up. It was a popular and inexpensive style of mounting very often found on daisho…..so this could well be the Wakizashi from a daisho. High quality ones could be shakudo but far more common were a different heavily patinated copper alloy that could be made to resemble shakudo and with simple linear gilt borders.

The fuchi appears missing here sadly.

[Alex A]

Something like Edo Jumyo

[Fusilier]

G'day Bruce, Sam, Colin, Alex,

 

Thank you very much again. I feel much more confident selling a sword when I at least know that its genuine and have an indicator as to its provenance.  That said, you guys have certainly stimulated an interest in the field for this tired old bayonet collector and I have to admit to buying two books on the subject.  I'm about a third of the way through the one by Gregory Irvine and will then start the Kapp & Yoshihara one.  I only started buying these blades when I came across them on my hunts for bayonets, but once you start seeing them, you start seeing them, if you know what I mean.

 

Anyway, hugely grateful for your help as usual.

 

Cheers David

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

Hi, sorry for my abrupt comment, but this looks a little weird.

 

Both the mid to high-class Handachi Koshirae (it that Nanako-Ji on it? Couldn't see the pictures clearly) and the gilded double Habaki (Kinnkise Habaki) indicate a good sword.

 

But the real sword is nothing like that, just not a very good sword over all.

 

Nakago looks mid-Edo, of course, but Hamon is most often seen in mid to late Muromachi, on low-end Osafune swords.

 

(Looks kind of like the Sanbonsugi of Mino-Den, but not really, I think. )

 

Combined with the almost outrageous Sugata, this sword was probably once with a strong Koshi-Zori, then went through a very rough Suriage in Edo just to fit into this pretty good Koshirae.

 

Although the Kengata Nakago-Jiri usually means the Suriage process was done very carefully and well, so that's where it throws me off. Because, that Sugata! I mean...

 

If this is indeed Edo, not a Suriage-ed late Muromachi Osafune, then it's most likely a Shinto Seki. I do strongly believe this is Suriage-ed, though.

 

Whatever this might be, the ideal price of this whole package should be around 15k Yens on Yahuoku, mostly due to its poor polishing state and less than ideally made (is this even a right expression?) sword itself.

 

I have no idea how much it should be in the States, though, but it shouldn't be very off. 

Thank you for your time reading this impolite nonsense reply, please have a good day.

[lonely panet]

9 hours ago, Fusilier said:

G'day Bruce, Sam, Colin, Alex,

 

Thank you very much again. I feel much more confident selling a sword when I at least know that its genuine and have an indicator as to its provenance.  That said, you guys have certainly stimulated an interest in the field for this tired old bayonet collector and I have to admit to buying two books on the subject.  I'm about a third of the way through the one by Gregory Irvine and will then start the Kapp & Yoshihara one.  I only started buying these blades when I came across them on my hunts for bayonets, but once you start seeing them, you start seeing them, if you know what I mean.

 

Anyway, hugely grateful for your help as usual.

 

Cheers David

i assume these will make it to your ebay page aswell?? if so would there be any donations to the nmb for advancing the sellibilty of these swords 

[Fusilier]

14 hours ago, lonely panet said:

i assume these will make it to your ebay page aswell?? if so would there be any donations to the nmb for advancing the sellibilty of these swords 

Happy for you to DM me mate.