forging Methode???

[Volker62]

Dear Friend's

 

what is a "Sarashi Kitae" Methode??

 

 

  never heard  of it??

 

 

there is a blade made by Yamato no kami fujiwara Tadayuki depicted in the book "Zoku Oiten no Katana" by Nakuhara Nobuo.

[ROKUJURO]

59 minutes ago, Volker62 said:

Dear Friends,

what is a "Sarashi Kitae" method??

  never heard  of it??

there is a blade made by Yamato no kami fujiwara Tadayuki depicted in the book "Zoku Oiten no Katana" by Nakahara Nobuo.

Volker,

can you please show a picture of it?

I can only guess that it is an etching technique to show a strongly defined HADA like in Damascus steel.

[Volker62]

with pleasure, thank you!

[The Blacksmith]

Isn't sarashi a form of wrapping? Possibly 'Sarashi Kitae' is another term for kobuse saku? Just a guess admittedly.

[ROKUJURO]

Volker,

to see the KITAE, we would need an image of the blade, if possible, especially a close-up.

[Volker62]

from the book "Zoku Oiteken no Katana" written by Nakuhara Nobuo

[ROKUJURO]

Maybe I was wrong in my assumption, can't see the HADA properly. The author's name is NAKAHARA.

[BIG]

Sarashi means: light/soft

Think Russ is on the right street..

 

Best

[ROKUJURO]

Volker,

I found this thread to be quite interesting, so I asked SteveM for support. He was very kind and helpful as usual and answered extensively:
 

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.... It is a type of forging technique that was invented and used only by this Tadayuki (as far as I know). None of my sword dictionaries contain this term, and I only know about it from looking on the internet. I'm not even 100% sure of the correct pronunciation, because the character for "sarashi" is 曝, and the inscription on the sword in the thread (and others from this smith) use the character 暴, so there is a slight difference. But the Japanese sword shops use this term "sarashi kitae" so I assume it is correct. Sarashi, by the way, means "to expose" ( 曝し ).

It is a forging technique where the layers of the steel end up being very prominent on the sword, and they tend to be arranged in a diagonally slanting direction.....

 

https://www.touken-m...sai/KA-0624/kakudai/

 

I don't think it was a very popular technique, because absolutely nobody copied it. But Tadayuki was very proud of it.....

This jihada isn't the result of a coincidence. Tadayuki himself inscribes the words "sarashi-kitae saku kore" into the nakago, which means we should view the work as intentional from the very beginning....

.....Regarding technique, I think your intuition is correct about the twisting of the metal. The Asahi Token site even mentions asking modern smiths about this "sarashi kitae" method, and the modern smiths said that they could replicate it easily, but nobody wants to. So yes I think it could be a technique like twisting the metal that results in this slanting itame/masame pattern.....

 

 

 

[Volker62]

Jean many thanks!

 

I haven't heard of it before either, but I think it's absolutely worth researching!

 

 

we can't become any stupider because of it.

 

 

I actually had a very experienced collector from Australia, here comment on this with "Zorro" and then wrote "Zorro" wrong,actually something for little children

 

not my humor 

 

 

I asked Markus and got an instructive explanation from him!

 

a sprecial kind of forging technology proudly signed by Bungo Tadayuki in the Edo periode

 

 

Thank's again to you and Markus Sesko

[Volker62]

to be continiuned

[Volker62]

depicted hada of Tadayuki Katana looks very prominent

 

like O Hada nagare Hada

 

 

nice sword with Toku Betsu Hozon paper