Christian Kabuto?

Alex A · April 13

Really ?

The Lanes Armoury | A Beautiful and Most Impressive Nanban-Nari Kabuto High Conical Samurai Helmet. Likely of A Christian Samurai, Known As Krishitan, Momoyama to Edo Period. With Menpo Face Armour

Brian · April 13

:doh:

Baka Gaijin · April 13

猿でさえ木から落ちます。

Alex A · April 14

Well, this dealer is known for the odd cheeky monkey prices and write-ups.

Also, possibly the "Shogun effect", a situation where dealers take advantage of tv shows.

I fear some inflated prices ahead :laughing:

The Blacksmith · April 14

That happened when the first series came out as I recall. Prior to the series coming out WWII officers swords where from about £75 upwards. After the series came out the were from about £175! Then came the Great Japan Exhibition at the Royal Academy, and things just snowballed from there.......

I just love their fanciful descriptions on that site Alex. I was looking at a couple of items from the Napoleonic War, and the descriptions seemed to detail the entire history of the conflict, almost none of which had anything to do with the object in question! :dunno:

Alex A · April 14

:laughing: Know the feeling Russ. You see a random flintlock and then end up reading about Blackbeard

Must work for them.

Matsunoki · April 14

22 minutes ago, Alex A said:

Must work for them.

There are many people around with more money than sense

There are many people around with more sense than money

There are many people around with no sense and no money

There are some people around with sense and money

I wonder which of these are the target market for Lanes Armoury🙂….and which are not🙂

……smart marketing imo…..as you say Alex, must work for them.

Bugyotsuji · April 14

Having read this far I will now bite the bullet, go back and reluctantly open the provided link. What was the question again?

Ah, really?

Bugyotsuji · April 14

No, my first instinct, not to click on it, was correct.

Alex A · April 14

Briefly read about the fleur-de-lys symbol and it is linked with Christianity.

One issue i have is whether or not the pattern on the Kabuto is in fact fleur-de-lys decor ?

Very little linking that symbol to Japan and its use there, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

Just seems a very bold claim.

I guess biased beliefs come easier when your on the selling end.

Brian · April 14

You're not wrong.

Luc T · April 14

But what are we looking at?

a two plate nanban kabuto, with kirigane.

the style refers to what the Nagasone made.

there is a similar one in the Wakayama Saika exhibition catalogue, described as maybe Saiga, but further than the kirigane, I see no link.

later not matching kuwagata dai, (maybe new?)

Early edo, probably.

nice and interesting kabuto, C- condition.

raaay · April 14

The lanes . :rofl:

Mick taylor · August 3

Why is it a rough black finish?Looks strange to me.

Alex A · August 4

Looks like lacquer over rust pitting.

Matsunoki · August 4

Alex, more likely black paint! Someone’s had the rattle can out I reckon. ☹️

Alex A · August 4

Maybe your right Colin,

Love reading the the Lanes emails, find them intriguing.............................the latest. Like the use of "possibly" "stunning" "superb" and "rare" :laughing: and MurAmachi.

Today's resume new additions list covering the past week, includes;

A Stunning Quality Wakazashi Signed with Honorific Title Masatoshi, Lord of Etchu, Han Dachi Mounted, Gold Dragon Menuki, Blade Mishina School Early 1600's, Wonderful Signed Tsuba and Matching Kozuka Depicting the Tiger in the Bamboo Grove

A Fine, French Napoleonic Wars Consulat To Empire Period Early 19th Century Flintlock Officer's Pistol From 1801, Manufacture St Etienne, Lock Interior Marked Duran

A Stunning Pair Of Tsuba, Original Early Daisho Sukashi Rokakku Clan Mon Iron Maru Gata Tsuba

An Early Crusades Period Reliquary Cross Pendant Still Sealed From the Ancient Holy Land. Approximately 1000 years old

A Simply Stunning Ancient Bronze Age Lobed Mace Head, from the Era of Rameses The Great, Pharoah of Egypt, Circa 1300 B.C.

A Most Resplendent, Original Antique and Rare, Victorian, Royal Household, Royal Horse Guards Fanfare Trumpet Banner

A Superb Original Spencer Carbine, Probably the Best Carbine Rifle of the American Civil War, and, In The Wild West

A Personalised & Named Naval Sword of an 1804 Naval Hero Commodore of a British East Indiaman Fleet & His Original Framed Portrait

Rare 1st Edition 'Reveries or Memoirs Upon The Art of War', Printed in 1757

A Magnificent 18th Century Silver Hilted Small Sword with Colichmarde Blade. This Is One Of The Most Beautiful We Have Seen in Several years

A Scarce German WW2, Luftwaffe officer's or Possibly SS Officer's Sword or Dagger Belt Hanger Mount

Koto Period Samurai Katana, Circa 1550 From The Muramachi Era, A Most Fine Blade with Midare and Large Waves Hamon, & Nioi & Nie Deki, a Masame & Itame Hada, in Very Good Polish, Shibuishi Dragon Fly Fuchi Kashira

An Extremely Rare Example of a Vijayanagara Hooded Katar From South India,16th To Early 17th century.

A Superb Old English-Viking Large 'Winged' Spear Javelin Head With Later Haft. A Vital Component in 'Shield Wall' Battles Over 1000 Years Old

Matsunoki · August 4

Alex, you have far more stamina than me. I just look at the pictures……but not very often🙂

raaay · August 4

Hi Alex , the Lanes have more stories !! and attributions than Hans Christian Anderson .

off topic slightly a couple of friends of mine popped into there shop while on holiday and asked to see a couple of swords in a display case , the answer was if you buy the sword you can then have a look at it , not sure they would sell much with that attitude ?

Alex A · August 4

Probably did your friends a favour, Ray.

The polish would likely make their eyes water.

raaay · August 4

yip , there old polisher ran out off nitric acid , maybe that's why he retired !

The Blacksmith · August 4

I like the last line of their listing: ' The interior lining and cords of this kabuto have been replaced in the past 100 years'. :huh:

Personally, I think the whole helmet has been replaced in the past 100 years! :dunno:

I am thinking that possibly the skull was a cabasset or peaked morion, whether it was an original one or not is of course questionable too. The whole thing appears to me to have been embellished and 'antiqued', and antiqued rather badly too. The mempo is about the poorest that I have ever seen, and has a yodare-kake that doesn't belong. The shikoro doesn't belong either, nor does it appear to have any age, it also being a very poor replacement. The maedate, well if this is genuine, then it is an extremely poor one, and very badly fitted too! I doubt that even this is genuine personally.

The whole aging of the helmet and mempo is far too even for my liking, and to my eyes appears false too, to cover up bad workmanship. I have had a few kabuto, and I certainly wouldn't want this one!

I would have loved to have heard Ian's thoughts on this piece.

Alex A · August 4

Would love to hear what Ian has to say, Russ.

Not seen him here for a while, pity.

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