stevel48 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Posted November 13, 2009 It's not too visible. Looking into a purchase but I dont think the seller has the mei correct. He has it listed as Naganori but I cant match the kanji to Naganori. Quote
Grey Doffin Posted November 13, 2009 Report Posted November 13, 2009 Nagahiro 永弘 I believe. More info in my other post on the other thread you have up. Grey Quote
SwordGuyJoe Posted November 13, 2009 Report Posted November 13, 2009 A little late, but I agree with Nagahiro (永弘). Quote
stevel48 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Posted November 13, 2009 It's so faint that maybe I'l never really know. the darn thing looks 500 years old though with the pitting and discoloration. The shape of the blade matches up with the Momoyama period. I just can't find a match for that 2nd kanji character. It may have been cut off. Looks like the nakago may have been shortened. Steve Quote
Stephen Posted November 13, 2009 Report Posted November 13, 2009 Steve sending you PM with file attached Q2 Quote
stevel48 Posted November 14, 2009 Author Report Posted November 14, 2009 Steve, those kanji were fantastic. Thank you. I now believe that the first kanji is Kiyo and not Naga. The 2nd is still unknown. Quote
reinhard Posted November 14, 2009 Report Posted November 14, 2009 Grey and Joe are correct: The remnants of the mei read: NAGAHIRO Aren't you happy with it? Reinhard Quote
Stephen Posted November 14, 2009 Report Posted November 14, 2009 ?? kiyo?? i sent you the table so you could see the kanji for hiro, its as stated, Nagahiro. look H2Q2 Quote
stevel48 Posted November 14, 2009 Author Report Posted November 14, 2009 I'm new at this guys so I hare to ask questions and learn as much as I can. My understanding is that eack kanji is part of the name. This sword has 2 and the first one being as you say naga and the second one being hiro. Am I at least correct in my understanding? So on Steve's kanji charts I found 2 names that matched the first kanji character, Naga and Kiyo. I feel that Kiyo is a slightly better match. I didn't find anything that matched the 2nd kanji for hiro. Feel free to point out which character says what and why. Please don't take my questions as an insult as they're not meant to be. Quote
Ted Tenold Posted November 14, 2009 Report Posted November 14, 2009 Steve, In the row of "Hiro" kanji you illustrated, it's the second from the left. Quote
stevel48 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Posted November 15, 2009 Ted Tenold said: Steve, In the row of "Hiro" kanji you illustrated, it's the second from the left. bingo...now i see it. Thanks for making it crystal clear now. Quote
Stephen Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 LOL the Q 2 didnt do it for you lol Quote
Brian Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 Stephen said: LOL the Q 2 didnt do it for you lol :D Some days, you just can't win Brian Quote
stevel48 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Posted November 15, 2009 Stephen said: LOL the Q 2 didnt do it for you lol no no , it's just that I couldn't see what you guys are seeing..the right side of the character. Quote
stevel48 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Posted November 15, 2009 Just to play devils advocate, what do you thibk of the kiyo vs. naga. I Imagine that Naga has several variations in the signature and is an individual thing. Quote
Stephen Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 :lol: you related to the other Steve? Quote
Ted Tenold Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 stevel48 said: Just to play devils advocate I don't think the devil needs any help with this one. steve48 said: what do you thibk of the kiyo vs. naga There is a minor stroke difference between this very common Naga character, and the *highly* uncommon form of Kiyo that it resembles. So the question would then be; "If the identity of this kanji is still in question, is there a smith with the name Kiyohiro utilizing that rare form of Kiyo listed in any references?" steve48 said: I Imagine that Naga has several variations in the signature and is an individual thing. Yes, but you can really overthink these things sometimes and make them harder than they really are. When you hear galloping hooves in the distance, it's better to assume they're a horse and not a zebra. Quote
loiner1965 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 to my inexperience eyes i can see kiyo too...... Quote
Stephen Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 Quote to my inexperience eyes i can see kiyo too...... LOL i was right your are related LOL Quote
stevel48 Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Posted November 15, 2009 "When you hear galloping hooves in the distance, it's better to assume they're a horse and not a zebra" Great point. Quote
loiner1965 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 Stephen said: Quote to my inexperience eyes i can see kiyo too...... LOL i was right your are related LOL lol....................................................................if the cap fits Quote
Ted Tenold Posted November 15, 2009 Report Posted November 15, 2009 paulb said: Unless you are in Africa :D True indeed! But what you really should assume is that something is chasing them, whatever they are.....so don't stick around to find out. Run like hell. Quote
Brian Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 The Kiyo theory excludes some obvious strokes that can't be ignored. Sometimes it is just best to accept what is offered. Can't always see what they see, but you might later with 10 years more study. Sometimes I don't see everything Moriyama san sees for example. But I am happy to accept the conclusion since my background does not give me a fundamental knowledge basis. Anyways..the point is..even in Africa we expect horses and not zebra. :lol: Brian Quote
loiner1965 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Posted November 16, 2009 Brian said: The Kiyo theory excludes some obvious strokes that can't be ignored. Sometimes it is just best to accept what is offered. Can't always see what they see, but you might later with 10 years more study. Sometimes I don't see everything Moriyama san sees for example. But I am happy to accept the conclusion since my background does not give me a fundamental knowledge basis.Anyways..the point is..even in Africa we expect horses and not zebra. :lol: Brian agree brian, moriyama san experience in reading kanji is without doubt second to none and he can see things i will never see in my lifetime of studying..... Quote
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