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Jacques D. Grand Master

Jacques D.

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It's not Nosada even if some time he produced a jihada wich is itame slightly zanguri mixed with straight grains. His hamon is gunome midare or gunome choji.

 

 

It's not Kotetsu, Kotetsu's hada is a ko itame very tight and without straight grains. He did'nt produce this kind of hamon his gunome being coupled by 2 (yotanba) and the hamon starts with a short yakidashi parallel to the hasaki.

 

ps there is no nidait Kotetsu.

Alex A Grand Master

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Think i need magic powers, as cant see boshi or whats going on in the Shinogi.

 

Your the one that's always lecturing us about kantei from bad pics ?:freak:

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Jacques D. Grand Master

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It's not Muramasa, his katana has a more prononced saki sori the (torisori for the sword in kantei and he did'nt produce this kind of hamon.


One mentionned (who is afraid to try an answer) the boshi is not visible but for this swordsmith the boshi is in accordance with the hamon. That said, I don't think it will help you much.

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Alex A Grand Master

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Ok, without spending all day on it.

 

Cant really work out the sori from that pic, was originally thinking Edo but with what's available as in the jigane i would be thinking sue-seki

 

Something along the lines of a well known Mutsu no kami daido, though cant find an example with the gunome being this regular.

 

There appears to be Tobiyaki, which gets a mention for one of his kantei points.

 

Anyways, something along those lines

Jacques D. Grand Master

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Answer

 

 We have here the proof that it is impossible to have a valid answer based on even good photos. With the sword in hand and even with the nakago hidden, an educated person could at least find the era. No tobiyaki on this sword.

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Alex A Grand Master

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To be honest, did suspect Jacques was up to trying to prove a point and did suspect it could be one of the late Edo schools that emulate older works. This guy in fact i believe worked in three traditions. Without looking into it i kind of started to think about looking into stuff like the Naotane school but who wants to spend all day on it.

 

One feature that stood out is that the hamachi appears tired in the bad picture which kind of gets you thinking it was not a later sword.

 

I've always said if folks are going to do kantei pics here then to give folks a chance then it has to be a TEXTBOOK sword of the type they were known for making. Not someone that made a wide variety.

 

Not very sporting.

 

Also, may not be Tobiyaki in the sword but we have to go off what we can see. To me, in the pic (bottom right), appears like Tobiyaki.

 

Jacques knew no one would get the answer

 

In that respect, wasn't fun Jussi, just 30 minutes of my life i wont get back:laughing:

 

 

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Jacques D. Grand Master

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A tobiyaki is part of the hamon in the ji, surrounded by a nioiguchi. What you take for a tobiyaki are just the marks of folds in the steel. Talking of kantei, it has to be done without the help of books, and my Japanese nihonto teacher always told me that after 2 minutes you can't find the name of the smith because too many ideas are intertwined. How can you judge a nioiguchi when you haven't seen it? In shinshinto they have a milky appearance, and that's a kantei point at least for the time. Appearance of the steel also has to be taken into account: Silky, luminous blackish, Whitish etc.? All things you cannot see on pictures. In fact you even don't know what kantei is i'm pretty sure that you can't read a hamon correctly (an you are not the only one).

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Alex A Grand Master

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Jacques, we are doing this from bad pictures, not clear pictures. What i saw i perceived as could be Tobiyaki. 

 

Kantei here is just a bit of fun, but fun when someone gives a fair example with good pictures, clearly showing the boshi etc. 

 

I think of kantei here as different from the real kantei. For gods sake, we are amateurs that have not studied 1000s of blades in hand and we are usually looking at bad to average pics. So as for books, what do you expect. Its just fun trying to find the smith and also educational.

 

You moan about folks judging blades from pictures then attempt to get your point across using pictures:dunno:

 

If you could just listen to yourself and it sank in, you would stay away from commenting on pictures added here, but you carry on regardless being an hypocrite. 

 

I could put any blade on here made by some late edo smith that reproduced old works and you wouldn't have a clue either, and i guarantee you would have to reach for a book

 

This whole exercise was set up to make yourself look special, it hasn't worked, as usual.

 

 

Jacques D. Grand Master

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To illustrate my point, here's a photo and oshigata of a Tomonari (Bizen) tachi and kokuho (book is Osafune taikan). Despite the quality of the photo, you cannot see the hamon (nioiguchi) and its contents. Once again, a kantei on a photo is nonsense. The same cannot be said for mei

 

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Kantei here is just a bit of fun, but fun when someone gives a fair example with good pictures, clearly showing the boshi etc.

 

A lot of people come here for information about their swords, and I find it dishonest to tell them anything. Kantei must be instructive, it must allow you to memorize the particularities of a blacksmith's work, otherwise it's useless. If you do what you do, you'll never learn anything.

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Jacques D. Grand Master

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Well yes, at least if you really want to learn, the rest is just talk with no real content.  I'll skip your insults, I know who I'm dealing with. Come back with real arguments and facts.

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Will just say one more thing Jacques. I have no intentions of being some grandmaster sword expert.

 

Me or you will never get there, 

 

Stop the charade, its now boring.

 

Come here for a laugh, talk about swords and other antiques that i wont see sat at home, that's it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matsunoki Grand Master

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3 hours ago, Jacques D. said:

and I find it dishonest to tell them anything.

Didn’t stop you from trying to trash one of my swords purely from images. You even argued against several experienced people who had actually handled the sword…..and all from images….which you constantly tell us are insufficient. It was mumei so you can’t fall back on that.

Can we assume that you will no longer comment on swords discussed on this forum?

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13 minutes ago, lonely panet said:

never would have thought kymaro

 

 

If Kiyomaro could be here today sat at a pc looking at it, don't think he would have got it either:laughing:

Jacques D. Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Matsunoki said:

Didn’t stop you from trying to trash one of my swords purely from images. You even argued against several experienced people who had actually handled the sword…..and all from images….which you constantly tell us are insufficient. It was mumei so you can’t fall back on that.

Can we assume that you will no longer comment on swords discussed on this forum?

I made a kantei from one of your swords (hada hamon) ? Which one ?

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