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While searching through online auctions in Japan, I've seen this type of origami appear multiple times. However I don't really know much about it(All I really know is that machine translations translate it as art club). Does anyone know what it is and if it is considered trustworthy?

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It's an attribution paper from the Tōkyō Bijutsu Club (Tokyo Art Club) dated Nov. 1972. Attribution to Bizen Osafune Nagamitsu.

Most anything less than a current NBTHK or NTHK would be considered out-of-date and therefore untrustworthy. Current means something after about 1980.

 

It doesn't mean that all old papers were wrong. It just means that owners of genuine swords with old papers tended to upgrade the papers to the current NBTHK Hozon, Tokubetsu Hozon, etc.. because these are considered the most reliable both inside Japan and outside.

 

Owners of problematic, or "iffy" swords tend to avoid resubmitting their swords to the NBTHK, because they have reasonable doubt their iffy attribution will be confirmed. Or, they actually did resubmit the sword, and the sword was found to be gimei, or not as prestigious as was originally thought, so the owners quietly throw away the new results, and post their sword on ebay or yahoo with the old papers.

 

A poster named Darcy Brockbank wrote extensively on this. Some good reading in there. 

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9 minutes ago, SteveM said:

It's an attribution paper from the Tōkyō Bijutsu Club (Tokyo Art Club) dated Nov. 1972. Attribution to Bizen Osafune Nagamitsu.

Most anything less than a current NBTHK or NTHK would be considered out-of-date and therefore untrustworthy. Current means something after about 1980.

 

It doesn't mean that all old papers were wrong. It just means that owners of genuine swords with old papers tended to upgrade the papers to the current NBTHK Hozon, Tokubetsu Hozon, etc.. because these are considered the most reliable both inside Japan and outside.

 

Owners of problematic, or "iffy" swords tend to avoid resubmitting their swords to the NBTHK, because they have reasonable doubt their iffy attribution will be confirmed. Or, they actually did resubmit the sword, and the sword was found to be gimei, or not as prestigious as was originally thought, so the owners quietly throw away the new results, and post their sword on ebay or yahoo with the old papers.

 

A poster named Darcy Brockbank wrote extensively on this. Some good reading in there. 

Thanks for the info. That gives me more insight to avoiding sketchy sellers.

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