Hiroshige Print

laneyhogs · January 15

I have had this buried in a drawer for perhaps 25 years and I am ready to let it go. I know it is by Hiroshige and is titled:The Röben Waterfall at Öyama in Sagami Province. I scanned it to provide the best image. My scanner only covers half, thus two images. Lots of damage to thje edges and the paper is very thin and pliable, much like tissue paper. I am certain it is old, but was this done during his lifetime or later? My neighbor, a beginning collector, would probably want to buy it. Is $500 too high or two low?

ROKUJURO · January 15

No editor/collector stamps on it to be seen? It could be a later print.

If you could show the back-side, the experts may be able to tell you more about the age.

laneyhogs · January 15

Thanks for the suggestion. Here is the back.

Bugyotsuji · January 16

Spiritual purification in the sacred falls. Nice composition. Malcolm T. (pops in once a day if we are lucky) should be able to tell you more, about the market in the UK anyway. My instinct tells me that the condition alone (torn edges, faded colors, foxing, pinned corners), means that even $100 is too high a price to ask.

Just one opinion.

Baka Gaijin · January 16

Should look like this

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As Piers says, there are issues with the paper and the foxing.

Removal of the foxing would be expensive.

However it is a really interesting study, and I am interested in what the items that look like extra long Bokuto are, and how they relate to Misogi 禊.

Two are being carried up the steps and the other held onto under the waterfall.

Bugyotsuji · January 16

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. They seem to be leaning on one. I wonder if they are boatment and those are Ro long oars or Sao punting poles? (Not Kai paddles/oars)

Baka Gaijin · January 16

When the force of the water is pounding down upon your head from on high, you don't want a dead sheep to come cascading down.....

Actually happened in the 70's to a group of Welsh Kyokushin Karateka training under the Sgwd yr Eira.

Real OSU!!!!

Here's what it looks like today:

http://www.ooooyama.com/taki.html

Bugyotsuji · January 16

Can't see any sheep falling off that one!

Long shot here, but the scholar/monk Roben is said to have started the cold shower training here in 755 CE, and I wouldn't put it past the Japanese to play on the word Roben and bring their 'Ro' long oars to be blessed.

Baka Gaijin · January 16

Thats a really cool idea.

Roben, not to be confused with Robun, which is a totally different Bowl of Miso.

Matsunoki · January 16

2 hours ago, Baka Gaijin said:

However it is a really interesting study, and I am interested in what the items that look like extra long Bokuto are, and how they relate to Misogi 禊.

3 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. They seem to be leaning on one. I wonder if they are boatment and those are Ro long oars or Sao punting poles? (Not Kai paddles/oars)

These are wooden swords carried by the pilgrims whilst they undergo purification. I think personal prayers are written on them sometimes. They are then carried up the mountain to the shrine at the top where presumably they are either left or often ritually burned as in similar Shinto ceremonies.

As for the print in question, sadly condition is everything with prints and I would be surprised if it had any financial value, but of course money is only one measure of value and is often outweighed by historical value (imo)

I think there are several different prints that depict this interesting activity.

Stephen · January 16

Gold star for interesting/ informative thread. :clap:

Shugyosha · January 16

5 hours ago, Baka Gaijin said:

When the force of the water is pounding down upon your head from on high, you don't want a dead sheep to come cascading down.....

Actually happened in the 70's to a group of Welsh Kyokushin Karateka training under the Sgwd yr Eira.

Real OSU!!!!

Here's what it looks like today:

http://www.ooooyama.com/taki.html