Hiroshige Print

[laneyhogs]

I have had this buried in a drawer for perhaps 25 years and I am ready to let it go. I know it is by Hiroshige and is titled:The Röben Waterfall at Öyama in Sagami Province. I scanned it to provide the best image. My scanner only covers half, thus two images. Lots of damage to thje edges and the paper is very thin and pliable, much like tissue paper. I am certain it is old, but was this done during his lifetime or later? My neighbor, a beginning collector,  would probably want to buy it. Is $500 too high or two low?

[ROKUJURO]

No editor/collector stamps on it to be seen? It could be a later print.

If you could show the back-side, the experts may be able to tell you more about the age.

 

[laneyhogs]

Thanks for the suggestion. Here is the back.

[Bugyotsuji]

Spiritual purification in the sacred falls. Nice composition. Malcolm T. (pops in once a day if we are lucky)  should be able to tell you more, about the market in the UK anyway. My instinct tells me that the condition alone (torn edges, faded colors, foxing, pinned corners), means that even $100 is too high a price to ask.

Just one opinion.

[Baka Gaijin]

Should look like this

 

 

As Piers says, there are issues with the paper and the foxing.

 

Removal of the foxing would be expensive.

 

However it is a really interesting study, and I am interested in what the items that look like extra long Bokuto are, and how they relate to Misogi 禊.

 

Two are being carried up the steps and the other held onto under the waterfall.

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. They seem to be leaning on one. I wonder if they are boatment and those are Ro long oars or Sao punting poles? (Not Kai paddles/oars)

[Baka Gaijin]

When the force of the water is pounding down upon your head from on high, you don't want a dead sheep to come cascading down.....

 

Actually happened in the 70's to a  group of Welsh Kyokushin Karateka training under the Sgwd yr Eira.

 

Real OSU!!!!

 

Here's what it looks like today:

 

http://www.ooooyama.com/taki.html

[Bugyotsuji]

Can't see any sheep falling off that one!

Long shot here, but the scholar/monk Roben is said to have started the cold shower training here in 755 CE, and I wouldn't put it past the Japanese to play on the word Roben and bring their 'Ro' long oars to be blessed.

[Baka Gaijin]

Thats a really cool idea.

 

Roben, not to be confused with Robun, which is a totally different Bowl of Miso.

[Matsunoki]

2 hours ago, Baka Gaijin said:

However it is a really interesting study, and I am interested in what the items that look like extra long Bokuto are, and how they relate to Misogi 禊.

 

3 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. They seem to be leaning on one. I wonder if they are boatment and those are Ro long oars or Sao punting poles? (Not Kai paddles/oars)

These are wooden swords carried by the pilgrims whilst they undergo purification. I think personal prayers are written on them sometimes. They are then carried up the mountain to the shrine at the top where presumably they are either left or often ritually burned as in similar Shinto ceremonies.

 

As for the print in question, sadly condition is everything with prints and I would be surprised if it had any financial value, but of course money is only one measure of value and is often outweighed by historical value (imo)

 

I think there are several different  prints that depict this interesting activity.

[Stephen]

Gold star for interesting/ informative thread. 

[Shugyosha]

5 hours ago, Baka Gaijin said:

When the force of the water is pounding down upon your head from on high, you don't want a dead sheep to come cascading down.....

 

Actually happened in the 70's to a  group of Welsh Kyokushin Karateka training under the Sgwd yr Eira.

 

Real OSU!!!!

 

Here's what it looks like today:

 

http://www.ooooyama.com/taki.html

Is there no technique to defend against a falling sheep in the Welsh Kyokushin syllabus? 

[Baka Gaijin]

Probably, but you would have to do the 100 man Kumite three days in a row in order to be considered sincere enough to learn it!!!!

 

Also Colin's point about pilgrims brings up Carmen Blacker's "The Catalpa Bow" an excellent study of Misogi and obscure Shamanistic practices .

[Baka Gaijin]

A Different view by Hokusai

 

https://ukiyo-e.org/...c226711#&gid=1&pid=1

 

And one by Kuniyoshi

 

https://ukiyo-e.org/.../bm/AN00695755_001_l