Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 Hi everyone I wanted to know what value this Sword is I saw another post where it was questioned Thanks for your help steve 1
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 Here pictures of the blade Just opinions please
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 I don’t have alot of time for research Never mind forget about it I’m solo on this this one Sorry I asked 1 1
Stephen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 It does have nice hada but the pix are blurry and nakago has too much chalk. Google the smith's name and see if the mei match 1
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 Yea I know I’m kinda winging this one I wouldn’t ask for help but It’s a lot of money and afraid I might make another mistake Although he’s a dealer friend of mine and should be ok but it doesn’t hurt to get opinions from people who know a hell of alot more than me I plan on reading more books now I bought the craft of the Japanese sword And John Slough book but it has to be in His book I’m gonna check it now thanks Steve
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 John Slough looks good but the pictures are difficult to see clearly 5.5 million yen that’s crazy
Stephen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, Swords said: 5.5 million yen that’s crazy That's just a rating not sword value
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 Yes I know I found him in John slough 3
Stephen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 Says sold did you buy it? https://griffinmilit...army-officer-mounts/
Brian Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 Gassan Sadakazu is a BIG name. If a sword signed by him doesn't have papers, you ain't getting a Gassan Sadakazu. You don't buy big name swords without a guarantee it is shoshin. Otherwise it won't be. 3
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 I trust the dealer I researched the signature on John Slough I do have a return policy so hopefully it’s all good I might get papers down the road For now can’t do anymore 1
Brian Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 You have no way of researching the mei, Slough is pretty useless on this unless you are an expert. You know there are entire chapters in books about faked mei of Sadakazu? They have been expertly faking his mei for generations, down to the slightest portion of a stroke. None of us here are able to definitively tell a real one from a fake when it comes to his signatures. Good luck, you'll need it. This one needs to be submitted to the next possible shinsa in the US....Florida? 1
Stephen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, Stephen said: Says sold did you buy it? https://griffinmilit...army-officer-mounts/ So you did buy it. To answer my inquiry
GeorgeLuucas Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 For what it's worth, according to the listing itself, it's stated that the sword is "signed made by Gassan Minamoto Sadakazu" It does NOT state that it was made by Gassan Minamoto Sadakazu, and offers no guarantee on mei legitimacy. It simply states the translation on the nakago, and offers some info about the smith it claims to be. I know that's a little tricky with the semantics, but it's something to look out for on unpapared blades. For example: I find a painting and write "Picasso" on it, then list the item as "painting signed Picasso" - which is technically true... but it's still not actually painted or signed by Picasso 1 1
Swords Posted December 28, 2023 Author Report Posted December 28, 2023 Yes I did buy it Brian where in Florida do I send it? 2
David Flynn Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 Gassan Sadakazu goes for big money. Polished and papered, they go for US20k +. He even had a sword go Juyo. If a dealer has a sword like this without papers, He knows it's Gimei. Don't forget, there 's no friends in Business. 3
PNSSHOGUN Posted December 28, 2023 Report Posted December 28, 2023 The sword in question has been bought, returned and relisted at least two times now. If you have doubts about a Mei, ask the dealer if they guarantee it passes Shinsa or a provide full refund. 1
Swords Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Posted December 29, 2023 That’s not good How do you know this? How can anyone guarantee it passes shinsa without papers? 1
Guest Simon R Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 Here are direct, photographic comparisons of the kanji characters (squiggly signs) and the hot stamp (looks like a roadkill turtle) Papered Sadakazu on the left. Yours on the right. See what I did there? It's called research. Clever, innit?
Guest Simon R Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 34 minutes ago, Swords said: How can anyone guarantee it passes shinsa without papers? The whole point of Shinsa is to see if the sword deserves papers or not. If your "dealer friend" (an oxymoron if ever there was one) refuses to agree to take it back if it fails shinsa, that tells you he already knows it's a fake signature.
Swords Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Posted December 29, 2023 How do I know if it fails shinsa
Swords Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Posted December 29, 2023 Oh that’s amazing how you did a side by side of the mei comparison Do you think they are alike
Guest Simon R Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, Swords said: How do I know if it fails shinsa They tell you it failed, you get the sword back, lose your shinsa fee and then head home for a beer.
Guest Simon R Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Swords said: Oh that’s amazing how you did a side by side of the mei comparison Do you think they are alike To quote my father, "hope for the best but prepare for the worst".
Swords Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Posted December 29, 2023 Got It So I would asked him if it failed shinsa provided he knows? Or to be certain have it sent out which would take time which I only have 3 days turned around time for a refund 1
David Flynn Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 The difference between the two Oshi is like chalk and cheese. 2
John C Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Swords said: Do you think they are alike No. Many of the strokes are quite different. I would forget about the name and just look at the steel and pattern. If you like it, assume it is gimei and go for it if you think the price is right Treat it like any other mumei blade. John C. 1
Guest Simon R Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, Swords said: Got It So I would asked him if it failed shinsa provided he knows? Or to be certain have it sent out which would take time which I only have 3 days turned around time for a refund You ask him to guarantee it will pass shinsa if you submit it. If he agrees, get it in writing. If he doesn't (which he won't) get the sword back to him within the 3 days (and be careful he doesn't make himself 'not available for New Year' on those 3 days). (It definitely hasn't passed shinsa in the past because it would already have the papers and would be costing you $20K.)
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