New Collector ~ NCO Sword - Serial Number

[montrealfan1986]

Good Morning,

 

My name is Matthew and I am a new collector. Thank you so much for allowing me to learn more about Japanese swords with this forum.  I have been interested in anything about Japan for a long time.  

I bought this NCO sword a few weeks ago and have some questions that maybe some of you can answer.   

 

The serial numbers on NCO swords are stamped on the side of the blade, either readable left to right or upside down, depending where it was made, correct?  On my NCO sword, the serial number is on the back of the blade and not on either side.  The serial number matched the one on the scabbard.  Does anyone know why it may be on the back of the blade rather than on the side?  Any information about this piece would be greatly appreciated.  I’ve spent some time trying to find the answer to this question, and thought this would be the best place to find out. 

 

Respectfully,

 

Matthew

South Carolina.

[montrealfan1986]

Here are some more picture. Serial number is 10725, but no inspector mark

[montrealfan1986]

Thank you

[vajo]

Sorry but it is a replica type95

Someone painted it too to look better but he faild. On your sword all is wrong.

I think it is one of these.

https://www.kultofat...co-shin-gunto-sword/

 

I hope you didn't paid to much.

[montrealfan1986]

Hello,  Thank you for the reply.  Well, that not good news.  I won this on GunBroker last month and paid a lot for it.  Hopefully, I can figure something out with the seller. 

 

Thank you,

 

Matthew

[Brian]

It is 100% fake. Sorry.

[Kiipu]

I don't recall seeing a reproduction with a serial number stamped on the spine of the blade before.

@Stegel

[Bruce Pennington]

Matthew,

Could you give us some closer clear shots of the number, as well as a clear shot of the bohi (fuller groove) beginning and at the end, please?

[Conway S]

Matthew,

 

What is the serial number on the scabbard throat? Looks like 100725, but could also just be mis-stamped.  Better pictures will help for a conclusive opinion. Although the initial photos looking concerning, it's hard to tell with pictures taken from so far away. 

 

Conway

[vajo]

Not repro? Really 

 

The nanako looks inverse. The menuki looks not correct.

The seppa is not that cherry blossom rim.

The saya has no black primer. Thin lacquerd green

 

The clipper is from that thin metal made. The habaki looks like the thin ones on the replicas. 

The bo-hi looks strange.

 

 

[montrealfan1986]

Thank you all so much for all the replies.  The serial number is 100725, the second zero is smudged.  I took some additional pictures if order to help.  The blade is steel and almost has a cosmoline smell to it when I take it out.  The inside of the scabbard is aged and the wooden piece has seen better days. If it turns out to be a replica, perhaps its an older one?

 

Thank you all for the information. 

[montrealfan1986]

Here is the bohi

[montrealfan1986]

End

[montrealfan1986]

[vajo]

Stamped on the mune? Never saw this. The blade looks like cromed and the shape is wrong. 

For me it is repro, no doubt. Can't see anything right on this sword. When you look on a real one you see the quality difference immediatly. 

 

[Conway S]

Chris, 

 

The point of what I am saying is that better quality pictures will allow for more specific comments and help the poster understand why it's fake. Providing pictures taken from five feet away with glare and poor focus are not helpful for receiving more specific insight.

 

Conway

 

 

[vajo]

A genuine one.

 

Thats not my picture. Its from facebook to show the details, i watch out first if a nco is genuine or not. If you know where to look on you see the difference instant. It is often very hard to compare the blades on bad pictures to see the other details, like stamps, numbers and so on. If these 3 details are wrong you must not look further. The fuchi can be changed. So the stamps are not allways a clear sign if its fake or not. If someone change all parts on a replica he paid a lot of money 

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks for the added photos, Matthew.  Yes, it's definitely a reproduction.  All that Chris pointed out are things that are incorrect for a legit WWII Type 95.  I see the indented dimpling in the enlarged photo, and the bohi is wrong for a Tokyo 1st blade.  

[montrealfan1986]

Well, I really appreciate all the feedback and information.  I've learned a lot from this forum. Do you all know of a reputable dealer or site where I can purchase an authentic one of these NCO swords? These are the ones I am most interested in.

 

Thank you again and all the best,

 

Matthew

[Bruce Pennington]

@BANGBANGSAN @Shamsy

 

Either one of you guys have a good standard type 95 that you want to sell?

[rebcannonshooter]

Bruce, are you asking for yourself?  If so, I have a couple that I could make available!

Tom

[BANGBANGSAN]

On 12/22/2023 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Pennington said:

@BANGBANGSAN @Shamsy

 

Either one of you guys have a good standard type 95 that you want to sell?

Bruce

Are you looking for one?

[Bruce Pennington]

3 hours ago, BANGBANGSAN said:

Bruce

Are you looking for one?

No, it's Matthew, @montrealfan1986, a couple posts above, looking for a reputable source for one.

[montrealfan1986]

Hello,  I was looking at this one.  It looks much better than the one I posted earlier, which I am still figuring out what to do with my $700 replica.  Anyways, if you have one you my want to sell to a new collector, please send me a message.  I've enjoyed learning about them with this forum.

 

Cheers,

 

Matthew

[Bruce Pennington]

That’s a good one Matthew.

[montrealfan1986]

Thank you Bruce. I sent the guy an offer, we will see what happens.

[The Blacksmith]

I see that the sword on ebay has now been sold. So hopefully, you have acquired it @montrealfan1986 ?

[montrealfan1986]

Yes, I bought it. Should be here next week. 

[The Blacksmith]

@montrealfan1986 Congratulations! Well done. That should round off Christmas nicely I hope. 

[montrealfan1986]

Yes, I'm excited, I'll put up some pics. Thinking about putting it up next to my dragonfly ambassador sword