buttles Posted November 14, 2023 Report Posted November 14, 2023 Hi, first of all, hello! New here. Been shooting Black Powder for a while but the gang in the UK got me into Matchlock shooting! Please can someone have a look at the pictures and translate for me? I'll post a full topic of the Toppo when I have more info. Many thanks Quote
Shugyosha Posted November 14, 2023 Report Posted November 14, 2023 Hi Buttles, I’m sure Piers will be along shortly but I think the first one refers to the barrel’s construction method: 二重巻張 Ni shige maki haru - Two ply wrap The next one is place of manufacture: 江州 国 [. ] Goshu kuni (Omi province) but there may be further characters that have worn away and may include the manufacturer’s name. The one in the cartouche on the stock is beyond me but hopefully you’ll get some better help soon. 3 Quote
k morita Posted November 14, 2023 Report Posted November 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, Shugyosha said: Hi, A Kanji character on the stock is 寳 , meaning is treasure. 4 Quote
buttles Posted November 15, 2023 Author Report Posted November 15, 2023 Great thanks both. I may be able to highlight the characters a little if need be 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 15, 2023 Report Posted November 15, 2023 二重巻張 is usually read "Ni-ju Makibari", with the meaning as John says above. Yes please to further pics, under differing lighting angles if poss. 1 Quote
buttles Posted November 15, 2023 Author Report Posted November 15, 2023 Who knew Custard powder was so versatile! I think you have read the top script and the lower set is very feint and powder won't outline it Quote
buttles Posted November 15, 2023 Author Report Posted November 15, 2023 I also acquired a Tanzutsu barrel in the auction. .52 Cal. Again any info gratefully received! Quote
Nobody Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 7 hours ago, buttles said: I also acquired a Tanzutsu barrel in the auction. .52 Cal. Again any info gratefully received! 江刕國友丹波 宗俊 – Goshu Kunitomo Tanba Munetoshi 4 Quote
Nobody Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 8 hours ago, buttles said: You missed the focus of the most important part (after 江州國…). We already read other characters. 3 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 The tanzutsu barrel is much older, perhaps early Edo Period. Quote
buttles Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Posted November 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Nobody said: You missed the focus of the most important part (after 江州國…). We already read other characters. Unfortunately it is not clear enough to make out. Thanks all for your input Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 54 minutes ago, buttles said: Unfortunately it is not clear enough to make out. Thanks all for your input Are you 100% sure there is absolutely nothing there, just a flat surface, as if the name has been deliberately removed even? (We have been able to read seemingly impossible ones in the past. Sometimes the light angle can bring something up.) Quote
buttles Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Posted November 16, 2023 I had another go! There is something, maybe the feint marks form a known pattern? Quote
Nobody Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, buttles said: I had another go! There is something, maybe the feint marks form a known pattern? 江州國友九兵衛・・・ - Goshu Kunitomo Kyubei + ? The picture is not fine enough to read more. 3 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 Ah, that’s much better. Thank you. Sadly someone has filed away both the rust and the smith Mei at the same time. There was a continuing house line of 20 Kyūbei smiths at Kunitomo until the Bakumatsu end of the Tokugawa dynasty. (The founder was just Kyūbei with no further name, at the beginning of the Edo period, but your gun looks like one of his descendants, as the name is longer. The style of your pan lid suggests mid to late Edo.) 2 1 Quote
buttles Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Posted November 16, 2023 Great, thank you both. A shame it's not clearer. I will create a post in the Toppo section and quote you if that's OK? Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 Sure, great. 鉄砲 Teppō, iron tube. 1 Quote
buttles Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Posted November 16, 2023 Thanks. Appologies, a Teppo Typo! 1 Quote
DTM72 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Posted November 16, 2023 @buttles sometimes you can get better pictures of the mei by putting a low to medium power flashlight to the side of the mei, causing the surface to be lit, but the chisel marks will then be in the shadows, thus highlighting the mei for easier reading. Just a suggestion. Quote
buttles Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Posted November 16, 2023 2 hours ago, DTM72 said: @buttles sometimes you can get better pictures of the mei by putting a low to medium power flashlight to the side of the mei, causing the surface to be lit, but the chisel marks will then be in the shadows, thus highlighting the mei for easier reading. Just a suggestion. Thanks Dan, the metal there is so flat any marks are too shallow to be in shade. Think we will have to leave that one to a mystery.... Quote
John C Posted November 17, 2023 Report Posted November 17, 2023 Could that be the number 9? John C. Quote
Xander Chia Posted November 17, 2023 Report Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, John C said: Could that be the number 9? John C. Looks like it. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 17, 2023 Report Posted November 17, 2023 Yes, that's the 九 (Kyu) of the name 'Kyubei', as Nobody San says above: 九兵衛 (Can indicate the ninth chlld in a large family.) PS As with erased chassis numbers, letters can show up under specialized ray equipment. Quote
buttles Posted November 17, 2023 Author Report Posted November 17, 2023 The Plot Thickens........!! Thanks all. Quote
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