drbvac Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I am not sure what sort of pen he wrote on the blade with the trace the hamon but I think he missed some of the nuances in the pattern. I have a hard time with the old eyes but I don't see the hamon following the line he drew - maybe I better stop trying to determine the type. http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-sword-SOSH ... 2556c17dc1 Quote
W K Clifford Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 absolutely outrageous the way he treats the blade: marker on the polished surface and direct contact with the concrete floor which can easily scratch the blade. the guy throws a lot of jargons but obviously shows no respect. Quote
Clive Sinclaire Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Maybe Soshu Tsunahiro?? Clive Sinclaire Quote
Grey Doffin Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 The blade isn't in contact with the concrete floor; it is propped on a marshmallow. Didn't the Honami do that also? Grey Quote
Hermes Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 drbvac said: I am not sure what sort of pen he wrote on the blade with the trace the hamon Looks like it was done on the PC to me, not on the blade. Quote
drbvac Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 Come on guys - regardless of how it was drawn - my point was what is he basing the tracing on - I can't see the pattern he has drawn - the hamon on the blade doesn't look the same to me! Quote
outlier48 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Maybe my eyes are bad, too, or maybe I just don't have enough experience. Clearly the hamon does not follow the drawn in line, however it was done. It seems to me that he is saying that it might be possible to polish this blade to achieve a hamon with the pattern he has found in his reference material :? Charlie Brashear Quote
sencho Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 outlier48 said: Maybe my eyes are bad, too, or maybe I just don't have enough experience. Clearly the hamon does not follow the drawn in line, however it was done. hamon? hadori? Reinhard gave us a bit of education while ago. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2165&p=39445&hilit=hamon#p39445 Cheers! Quote
Grey Doffin Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 I can't be sure but I think we're seeing an amateur polish. Grey Quote
Mantis dude Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 perhaps an amateur tracer? haha. File that under what is he trying to tell us? or why is he doing that with an obviously different blade drawing. Not a professional marketer. And in nihonto, you guys are anal retentive and very detailed oriented, these are the type of things that can bother the group! he needs an education on the average collector in this hobby. (cheap shot at all of us). This is a detail oriented crowd. Quote
Chishiki Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Hi, I wonder if this nakago is ubu? It may have been altered long ago to look more soshu. Is the nakago correct? Mark Quote
reinhard Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 First of all, a knowledgeable dealer trying to sell a (potential) top-class Soshu blade for a few bucks on ebay DOES NOT EXIST. Second, Hada of the blade in question does not match MASAMUNE's nor SADAMUNE's. It looks somewhat loose and disorderly (>zanguri) and makes me think of a Kaji with Horikawa background. Size and measurement of the blade fit in there better too. Attachment shows zanguri Hada of KUNIHIRO. It may be good to know: If a blade looks like Soshu x 2 it is in all probability not the real thing. Spectacular Nie and Hataraki are refined and subtle in old Soshu swords. Later schools inspired by old Soshu style like Horikawa, Satsuma ShinTo and others tended to exaggerate. reinhard Quote
Brian Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 Reinhard, Some good info there, thanks. First i have heard of the phrase "zanguri" I think I get the meaning, but without Googling, can you offer any other info on the term? Brian Quote
uwe Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 Hada of the blade in question looks a bit like my Mino Kanefusa Uwe Quote
Jacques Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 Hi, Always difficult to say from pictures, but it seems this blade has some flowing masake near the mune and the ha, that could indicate a smith related with the Muramasa school. Quote
Ted Tenold Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 Overly profuse amounts of thick hard looking chikei are also a characteristic of retempering. Abunai!!!! (watch out!) Quote
reinhard Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Brian said: First i have heard of the phrase "zanguri"I think I get the meaning, but without Googling, can you offer any other info on the term? Brian, "zanguri" is a term used to describe a particular type of Hada which appears coarse und loosely structured. It does not have a negative connotation but is used to describe the works of Horikawa KUNIHIRO and his followers exclusively. - BTW I don't insist in this particular case. It was just a notion that came to my mind. As mentionned before, it is difficult to tell by pictures alone. All I can tell for sure is that this particular blade is neither MASAMUNE's nor SADAMUNE's work. It is dating from later times and is of far less quality. reinhard Quote
Jean Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Zanguri: ざんぐりCoarse pear skin-like hada. Quote
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