Sword earlier

[Tommac]

Is this a early sword than ww2 or after many thanks tom

[Rivkin]

This is a hard question to answer because of the overall condition, however the nakago itself shows very bright showa-period steel with a lot of recent red rust. Theoretically someone could have cleaned the nakago and then it rusted, but the kengyo shape appears to be original, both holes are drilled and the nakago's surface is processed rather haphazardly. I would not be optimistic that its an old blade.

[Tommac]

Yea it took me forever to get handle  off I didn't wipe it down or anything as the way it came off figured would be better not to mess with it .7I will wipe with oil clothe and take more pic tonight .

many thanks for reply

[Tommac]

Won't let me add pic now

Tom

[Tommac]

Won't let me add pic now

Tom

[Bruce Pennington]

Tom,

While we wait for the blade guys to comment, could you post some pics of the tsuka and tsuba?  Maybe a closeup of the fuchi and saya end cap?  The same' looks purplish from that distant photo.

[Tommac]

Think these are what u want

[Tommac]

[mecox]

Looks like the tsuka ito has been unwrapped and redone poorly and with no proper knot.  Also the menuki are missing.

[Tommac]

Yes the sword is as I got it I bought 2 from guy walking around super cheap so figured I better own them.the nco is a mismatch blade and scabbard but fairly decent shape there was no story with them other than money transfer .

 

Thanks tom

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks Tom!  Legit fittings.  From the first post, I was afraid it had the classic purple same' of the Chinese fakers, but it's not.  Can't make out just what it actually is, still, but the rest look good.  In hand, can you tell what the black stuff is?  Black leather, maybe?

[Tommac]

Yes the sword is as I got it I bought 2 from guy walking around super cheap so figured I better own them.the nco is a mismatch blade and scabbard but fairly decent shape there was no story with them other than money transfer .

 

Thanks tom

[Tommac]

Looks like leather

[Tommac]

Do we need more pic to help date or to tell manufacture of blade.

 

Many thanks tom

[John C]

Tom:

You may need to wait for those folks who are acquainted with kantei to help out, however I can give you some of my observations.

It looks to me as if the kissaki has been re-worked. Note the sharp angle. Also, it seems there is a filled mekugi-ana, which would suggest it has been remounted. These in conjunction with the deep sori suggest to me this is an older blade in gunto mounts. But again, take with a grain of salt until the experts weigh in.

 

John C. 

[Tommac]

Hopefully  this helps some if I need to take more pic please let me know. 

 

Many thanks to all the reply 

 

Greatly appreciated 

Tom

[Bruce Pennington]

Tom,

Usually, the nihonto guys don't hesitate to speculate on old blades.  But since Kirill (Rivikin) gave his opinion, no one else has joined in.  I agree with his observation that the rust looks WWII era.  I don't know why there would be 3 mekugi ana (the existing 2 plus the filled one) on a late-war WWII blade, but everything about this gunto says "late war" to me.  

[Jon]

The kissaki looks like it’s been created with a belt sander ? No evidence of a Boshi that I can see. The Nakago looks really crude as well.

[Tommac]

It has rusted at some time in its life kissaki did

It could be worse on the reply s

Was hoping  it might be something worth half way talking about lol as a person never knows when buying stuff 

 

Many thanks tom

[Tommac]

Here's the nco I picked up at the same show I also have a scabbard I got there

[Tommac]

Perty cool swords 

 

 

Thanks tom

[DoTanuki yokai]

You could post a picture of the full blade without Habaki, so we can see the shape. But there is no unique ww2 Sugata and most look like older shapes what makes it hard to judge the age without seeing clear pictures of the polished steel. 
 

example of Sugata picture

[Bruce Pennington]

13 hours ago, Tommac said:

Here's the nco I picked up

Nice Nagoya Type 95, Tom, it's in great condition.  You don't show the drag on the saya.  That number "3958" is a Copper handle number, unless there is another digit not showing.

[Tommac]

Hi 

No other number and some more pic of earlier blade thanks

[Tommac]

More

[Bruce Pennington]

On 10/25/2023 at 5:20 PM, Tommac said:

No other number

Thanks, that makes more sense.  I thought that "8" was a "3".

 

Is that case of swords, yours?  If so, would you mind posting some photos of that darkened Type 32 on the military forum here:

Military Swords of Japan - Nihonto Message Board (militaria.co.za)

[DoTanuki yokai]

I would say it is older then Ww2 and maybe shinshinto but this is only a guess. 
It’s very hard because of the messed with Nakago and there is really not much more to look at. 
Without the machiokuri I think it would be koshizori and could be much older but many shapes had revivals and one must see the steel and hardening to find out more. 
That’s all I can say sorry. 

[Tommac]

Many thanks for information greatly appreciated. 

 

Still super cool for me .

 

Thanks again 

Tom