Northeastern Port Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Hello I am hoping for translation help with a sayagaki and some accompanying paperwork feom this katana. I’m also including a picture of the nakago where it looks like a mei has been removed. It’s hard to see but the steel has a different texture to it and you can just barely see, what I believe to be, the tail-end of a chisel stroke here and there. Any help with translations or comments is very much appreciated!! Thank you all, John Quote
Gakusee Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Hmmmmm…. Lots of alarm bells with that one. please look up genuine Muramasa nakago and genuine Kunzan sensei sayagaki. 2 1 Quote
Northeastern Port Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Posted October 14, 2023 Thank you for answering right away Michael! Do you think that the blade could be a third generation Muramasa? The nakago doesn’t resemble Sengo Muramasa but resembles other “Muramasa” blades on the internet machine!? Also the strange area on the nakago looks and feels different as if someone removed the mei. As for the sayagaki, I thought Inhad given it some time researching it against others. I didn’t see anything that stood out. But, I can’t read the kanji so I don’t even know what the words could be guiding me to research. Here’s a bad photo of a section of the blade that has signs of sunagashi. I’m definitely a newbie here. Thanks for all the help! Quote
BIG Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Third generation.. https://www.christie...m/en/lot/lot-4376962 Best Quote
Baba Yaga Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Looks Shinto, but that could be from the photos. Quote
Northeastern Port Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Posted October 14, 2023 I guess I’m new enough to collecting that I still believe an amazing sword could slip through the cracks, unnoticed for 500 years, and be so undervalued that I could afford it! Wish in one hand, s**t in the other. See which one fills up first! More pics to look at. I still like the blade very much and believe it’s worth what I paid for it. I’m still interested to hear what the sayagaki and paperwork says! Feel free to poke fun at my mistake! Thanks guys! Quote
NewB Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Not sure what papers say but to me looks like a great blade. Ubu, one mekugi, great hamon and elongated kissaki without any visible flaws is definitely something I'd submit to NBTHK for Kantei Y. Quote
mywei Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 It does look like good blade, even though probably not Muramasa Shinshinto perhaps Quote
SteveM Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 That paper was copied from this site below https://www.nipponto...swords8/NT332147.htm The paper and the sayagaki both say the sword is a Muramasa. The sayagaki gives the dimensions (2 shaku, 2 sun, 6 bu, 1 rin). Its "signed" by Kunzan (Junji Honma) a famous person in the sword world. The paper is signed by Hon'ami Kōryō, a sword appraiser from the 1950s. As everyone says, forget about the dodgy attributions, and focus on the sword. 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted October 14, 2023 Report Posted October 14, 2023 Good sword as others have said but the kitae and style are not Muramasa and the sayagaki also does not follow the usual format of a Kunzan sayagaki and also the kao looks odd. 1 1 Quote
DoTanuki yokai Posted October 15, 2023 Report Posted October 15, 2023 Would say Shin Shinto and the shape looks like a Minamoto Masao sword but I’m not saying it could be one. Quote
Northeastern Port Posted October 15, 2023 Author Report Posted October 15, 2023 I would like to say thank you to all of the replies and information. It feels good to have a discussion about a blade I own and want to learn more about. The more I learn, the more I realize how much MORE there is left to learn. I’m also smiling to think that collecting Nihonto has been happening for 500+ years and I thought I might have purchased an overlooked sword. It’s probably safe to assume that top tier swords are something you have to pay good money for, not something that you stumble upon. Quote
Brian Posted October 16, 2023 Report Posted October 16, 2023 Probably. But gimei or not, this looks like a good sword and lots to learn from it. Most of us don't start with nice swords in good polish that show lots of activity. I think you'll enjoy this. Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 16, 2023 Report Posted October 16, 2023 The photos appear to be from a prolific seller on yahoo.jp auctions that sells many questionable swords (such as this one). His inventory would rival the Tokyo National Museum in terms of masterpieces, although he is nice enough to be flogging these treasures away for pennies on the dollar... 1 2 Quote
Nobody Posted October 16, 2023 Report Posted October 16, 2023 The shirasaya looks too young to be made in 1955 or older. Quote
Baba Yaga Posted October 16, 2023 Report Posted October 16, 2023 This is what I refer to as a 6 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: The photos appear to be from a prolific seller on yahoo.jp auctions that sells many questionable swords (such as this one). His inventory would rival the Tokyo National Museum in terms of masterpieces, although he is nice enough to be flogging these treasures away for pennies on the dollar... You have to give recognition to this seller. This person has been around for a long time playing games. If only buys asked about those treasures before buying and not after. 1 Quote
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