Swords Posted October 5, 2023 Report Posted October 5, 2023 I purchased this sword and am very happy with it Im interested others opinions of this sword and by this smith He was ranked Jo suka by Fujishiro as Superior I know there were other Sukesada smiths just wasn’t sure how he compared to others 1 2
Swords Posted October 5, 2023 Author Report Posted October 5, 2023 Not sure what you mean by strange? that’s the style of this smith 1 1 1
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 5, 2023 Report Posted October 5, 2023 The signature didn't appear to be a good match to Sho-Shin examples. Otherwise very good mounts.
NewB Posted October 5, 2023 Report Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Swords said: Not sure what you mean by strange? that’s the style of this smith Could you please elaborate? J
Swords Posted October 5, 2023 Author Report Posted October 5, 2023 I think the question is why the signature dosnt appear to be a good match to Sho-shin?
David Flynn Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 I've looked at this signature in a few oshigata, and to my mind, it's Gimei. Also, the Hamon is not done in his style. I have a Daisho ( with papers) for this smith. Enter Kozuke Daijo Sukesada, in the NMB search, and there is a photo. 1
NewB Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 54 minutes ago, Swords said: I think the question is why the signature dosnt appear to be a good match to Sho-shin? Because something in the executing the signature on the tang doesn't match the logged, recorded proven to be authentic signatures by the maker? Y
Swords Posted October 6, 2023 Author Report Posted October 6, 2023 Just a quick note I bought this sword from 2 reputable dealers on the forum I respect and believe wouldn’t sell me a sword knowing the signature wasn’t authentic or dosnt match the description Not having as much knowledge as others on the forum puts me at the mercy of more experienced people But that’s what the forum is about getting help from others
NewB Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Swords said: Just a quick note I bought this sword from 2 reputable dealers on the forum I respect and believe wouldn’t sell me a sword knowing the signature wasn’t authentic or dosnt match the description Not having as much knowledge as others on the forum puts me at the mercy of more experienced people But that’s what the forum is about getting help from others If they have guaranteed the authenticity of the signature then that's up between you Two. Considering no papers and the integrity of the sellers here I personally doubt someone would have purposely mislead you.. Y
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 Steven, you have been on this forum for years and have apparently defied all of our genuine attempts and efforts at providing you with basic knowledge. 1 3 2
David Flynn Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 Just as yardstick, if this was a Genuine Kozuke Daijo, it would be worth US20k min. Polished and papered. If it was genuine, I doubt the seller would sell it for the amount you paid.
Bugyotsuji Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 When you buy Kozuke Daijo Sukesada, you need to be aware that he was verging on genius, so there are many fakes imitators out there. The paperwork above does not guarantee anything, if you read the last few lines. "There are copies of his work." "The workmanship is similar." "The signature is close." "A shinsa should be consulted as a final authority." Weasel wording, perhaps, but it says you can own something with a famous signature on it. As David intimates, if it's a bargain, then you should imagine 99% that is it a work done in homage, even as you part with your cash. 1
almeister Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 Piers beat me to it They have been up front and more or less told you/everyone viewing their description at the lower part of your original post Interpretation of text can be misleading , they make no Guarantees of item being authentic, and have instructed a path to investigate further Kind regards
Brian Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 It looks to be in nice condition and has a very, very interesting hamon. Don't worry about the mei. It's a nice sword anyways and should be easy to kantei if not by him. Buy the sword, not the mei. 1
Okan Posted October 6, 2023 Report Posted October 6, 2023 Steven, I've visited one of your posts after a year and was hoping that you've made progress in your studies..nada.. Last year you said the same thing.. you didn't have much knowledge as others on the forum but you were studying with your new books.. I see nothing has changed. You need to hear opinions here so you can use them when you are about to sell this sword on this forum.. How about your own opinions? Since your are the one holding this blade in person, lets hear your opinions for a change? I also don't find ethical about asking opinions about a blade that you bought from a forum member.. well at least you can't cancel your order this time. 3 1
Swords Posted October 7, 2023 Author Report Posted October 7, 2023 Yes I could have researched but considering who the sellers were I did not think I should worry about the signature I have bought from theses sellers before and never had a problem I believe the answer is I got duped 1
Baba Yaga Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 5:57 PM, Swords said: Just a quick note I bought this sword from 2 reputable dealers on the forum I respect and believe wouldn’t sell me a sword knowing the signature wasn’t authentic or dosnt match the description Not having as much knowledge as others on the forum puts me at the mercy of more experienced people But that’s what the forum is about getting help from others It most definitely puts a person who is treasure hunting in a very bad position.
Brian Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 So the standard advice given EVERY TIME on the forum for all sales to treat every sword without papers as though it's gimei is completely lost on you? Why do you care about the mei so much, it's the last part you need to worry about. Quality --> Condition --> Then mei. Also...no guarantee it is gimei. You need to put it through a US shinsa sometime. Maybe it comes back shoshin. Won't change much.
Swords Posted October 7, 2023 Author Report Posted October 7, 2023 Brian your right it’s a nice sword no doubt I put too much faith for the seller stating it’s signed by that smith in the description not thinking it was just the signature I spent a good chunk of money for this sword It’s good to here some positives so thanks for that And for others who gave me feed back I think I’m done buying swords for a while steve 1
Swords Posted October 7, 2023 Author Report Posted October 7, 2023 Brian I forgot to ask about the Shoshin whats the charge where do I send it to I read your comments on another who was asking about it I believe if they don’t know what the mei is there’s no charge Now if the mei is genuine dose that mean the sword was made by that smith ? If it’s a gimme would they know who signed it Im guessing this sword is documented in Japan and that’s how they know if it’s Gimei or shoshin?
Okan Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 Steven, Quote I put too much faith for the seller stating it’s signed by that smith in the description not thinking it was just the signature Did you even read the description? It says signed Kozuke Sukesada..not "signed by Kozuke Sukesada" himself. He also mentions "There are copies of his work. A shinsa should be consulted as final authority. " So he clearly says this can be a copy! He couldn't be more clear about this! Quote It’s good to here some positives so thanks for that You always need to hear some positives because you are lacking in basic knowledge..If you like treasure hunting, you need to have some. (Dejavu) Quote I think I’m done buying swords for a while Thats a good idea. Quote Brian I forgot to ask about the Shoshin I think you meant Shinsa, not Sho-shin. Sho-shin means real signature. Brian says, US Shinsa in his post. So you can google " US Shinsa" and find out the answer yourself... Quote Now if the mei is genuine dose that mean the sword was made by that smith ? If it’s a gimme would they know who signed it Seriously? 1
kkeeps Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 There is a shinsa in Florida next year at the Orlando sword show. https://nthkamerica.com/ Cost with should be about $450 if you send it off and it receives papers. That will be your cheapest option, the cost and work to send it off to Japan goes up from there.
Swords Posted October 7, 2023 Author Report Posted October 7, 2023 Thanks kkeeps Okan This has already been brought up so you don’t need to rub on my face But if it makes you think everyone sees how smart you are it’s not working Okay
Alex A Posted October 7, 2023 Report Posted October 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Swords said: Yes I could have researched but considering who the sellers were I did not think I should worry about the signature I have bought from theses sellers before and never had a problem I believe the answer is I got duped 1 You should always question papers, dealers etc At the end of the day cant end up thinking you duped yourself Sorry to say it, you should know better 2
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