Need expertise and advise, please

[Alexander_R]

I’m envisaging to buy a katana (longtime dream) and was offered following item. Koto attributed to Bizen Osafune Sukesada end of XV - first third of XVI century. Length- 75,2 Nagasa- 59,8, nakago nagasa - 15,3 sori - 2,1. Koshirae - late Edo. One expert supposes that it can belong to Yosozaemon Sukesada.

The question is - does it worth buying for collection? What do you think about its value (not in price terms). Thank you in advance, appreciate all the opinions.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Nagasa- 59?

 

Check that measurement again, something not adding up. 

[Alexander_R]

Nagasa 59.8 Nakago nagasa 15,3 Overall length 75,2. All in cm

[Jon]

A Nagasa of 59.8cm, that’s not very long for a Katana.

[NewB]

Hola,

 

It is a wakizashi, if at that length.

Bizen Sukesada (in general read of the mei)

 

All the traits of the school are represented in the photos. Could be a nice acquisition, depending on price and detailed measurements description - Yosozaemon had mostly detailed signature and date however times dictated production time so i believe some extravagant examples didnt have 'the time' to bear the detailed signature.. Research 'Jishin mei'. I have a blade with same jitetsu Nice fittings!

 

P.S. I do NOT like the burn mark

 

Y

[mywei]

Given the period (late koto) and smith, the length and shape could suggest a katateuchi 

 

However, the jigane looks quite rough to my eyes, and there is no nengo, making it unlikely to be a chumon-uchi and more likely kazu-uchi mono unfortunately

 

Depends what you are wanting to collect (quality/quantity/period etc) and the price asked ofc

 

My 2c

[Franco D]

An article written by Guido Schiller, who remains in our thoughts. An article that is essential reading for anyone seeking to purchase a "collectible nihonto."

 

A topic that comes up regularly is the question "is this sword worth buying?" or "is this signature genuine?", usually followed by some blurry pictures of a rust-covered blade in battered Guntô mounts. The answer is pretty simple: it's worth every penny you're willing and able to pay for if all you're looking for is a weapon of Japanese origin. Might there be a collectible sword under all that surface erosion, or is it even a wise investment to buy a sword like that? In my opinion, chances are as high as finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

 

It usually takes decades of experience - and preferably a traditionally-trained togishi (polisher) - to judge whether a corroded blade might be restorable or not, and even then I've seen the expression of an unpleasant surprise crossing the faces of those experts after Madogaki (polishing a "window" for evaluation). And this happened after hands-on examination by extremely knowledgeable persons. I therefore strongly advise against buying such a sword. Especially the beginning collector fares much better with a Nihontô in a reasonable state of polish.

 

But first of all, we have to ask ourselves the question why we want to buy and/or study Japanese swords; if the answer is "because I just want a Japanese sword - any Japanese sword, and am not willing to pay more than $$$," read no further. If you're fascinated by Nihontô as an art form, if you're "bitten by the bug," and prepared to explore a whole new world of marvels in steel and interesting Oriental history, you may find some of my following thoughts at least mildly entertaining.

 

What should we collect and how should we collect? In putting together my line of reasoning (as I like to think of it), I wasn't too surprised to learn that already others had tackled that problem before me. Being basically a lazy-bone, I borrowed heavily from Raymond Bushell's chapter on new principles of collecting in his book "Netsuke - Familiar & Unfamiliar." I shamelessly adopted and re-wrote much of what was said there, in part even descending to the netherworld of outright plagiarism. However, I am solely responsible for the content of this post - it is, after all, my point of view on Nihontô, and not necessarily that of the author whose writings I (ab)used.

 

First I should explain what exactly I'm going to talk about. Maybe the translation of the name of the NBTHK can help: Nippon Bijutsu Tôken Hozon Kyôkai means not only society for the preservation of the Japanese "sword," but also of the "art sword," clearly stating that the goal is not only the preservation of the sword as a weapon but also as an art object.

 

But what is art, and what kind of Nihontô qualify as Bijutsu Tôken? Beauty, of course, lies in the eye of the beholder, and even "the experts" are not always in agreement. However, borderline cases are few and far between as certain standards and "laws" have been established and are universally acknowledged.

 

The artistic features of the Japanese art sword can be recognized and studied as they can be shown and explained. This knowledge has nothing to do with spiritual studies, Zen-Buddhism, enlightenment, Iaidô training, or sentiment; it is a question of mere study. The same methods applied to recognize architecture, paintings, sculptures, and music according to their styles can be used for swords, which can be dated and allotted in a school, province, etc.

 

The ultimate preparation available to the collector who would like to find art swords is at once the most elementary and the most sophisticated preparation of all. It is to learn the subject. No one knows instinctively what a good Nihontô looks like, nor does anyone know intuitively the elements that constitute it. The collector must absorb the basics in a gradual accretion of understanding. Likewise, good taste in Nihontô is not an instantaneous revelation. It's a gradual development. Most collectors readily concede the improvement of their tastes over previous years. Good taste requires careful nurturing and tending for a mature blossoming. A natural good eye means a head start, an enviable beginning, but it is not enough. Just as a good voice without musical training will not enable one to sing like Pavarotti, so also a good eye will not assure a fine collection without some application and study.

 

In order to appreciate the different types of beauty, one should be equipped with as much knowledge as possible and a seeing eye regarding a good blade. Therefore it is useful to memorize the characteristics of the different "roads," schools, and masters, so that when looking at a Nihontô one knows where, when, and by whom it might have been made. This is the only basis on which to achieve judgement about the differences in quality.

 

The collector who boasts "I don't know anything about Nihontô; I just buy what I like," makes a statement that is not very profound. Of course he buys what he likes. If he doesn't buy what he likes, what does he buy? If he doesn't buy what he likes, he had better not collect. The collector who doesn't know anything about Nihontô will benefit by learning. If he should be blessed with innate good taste, he may develop expertness by listening and looking, like gifted students who earn degrees without cracking a book. For most of us, however, reading, discussing, examining, and studying comprise an essential, though happy, regimen for graduation to connoisseurship. The emotional response to a superb Nihontô may be as intense for the collector who never learned any "technical" information as for the expert, just as the emotional response to music may be as great for the listener who can't hum a tune as for the trained musician. But the intellectual pleasure, if not the emotional response, of the musician is profoundly enhanced by his understanding of theme, harmony, and counterpoint. So also is the intellectual pleasure greater for the collector who understands sugata, hada, hamon, hataraki, school, smith, etc.

 

It also needs to be mentioned that the features found in a good blade become only obvious and recognizable when brought to light by a skillful polisher. The togishi needs to know how the blade was originally designed in order to bring out the characteristics the smith intended, as each style requires a slightly different technique. A poor polisher can change the character of a blade in a way that a good old Kotô blade looks like an unimportant Shinshintô, or a very good polisher might make an mediocre blade look almost like a good one. It takes a lot of knowledge and experience to judge this correctly. An unpolished sword shows none of the criteria that make a sword a good sword except the form, and even that only up to a certain point.

 

Again I would like to repeat that restoring and polishing has nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment, a Japanese wife or girl-friend, eating sushi at full moon etc. but only with knowledge and experience. One should not attempt to polish a blade without knowing whether it is made by Kotetsu or Kanemitsu. For decades, the NBTHK has supported the training of polishers in order to maintain the traditional art of Togi and to treat the blades with the proper methods. Experimenting with wet stones, sandpaper or the like - even by a professional craftsman - can damage a Nihontô and ruin it forever as the structure and hardness will have changed.

 

A good polish is achieved by a careful, time-consuming grinding by hand with a series of wet-stones of different consistency and hardness. During this procedure, the bluish and beautiful hada and several tempering-patterns appear. If the tempering was done by a master, nie appears like brilliant tiny mirrors, and nioi looking like clouds during sun-rise. One can easily compare this to ink painting. A master is able to produce a whole color-scale ranging from light gray to dark black on paper. This is much more difficult when the material, as in our case, is made of layers of hard and soft steel.

 

On the other hand, there are lots of swords that are polished but without deserving this costly treatment; the reason is only that the owner thought that every Japanese blade should be polished. There are people that study for hours a sword that has been polished expensively and which has its origin in a forge of the Japanese Empire during World War II and which shows absolutely no artistic features. The same can be said about many blades from the Muromachi period which are highly esteemed by many Western collectors just because they are Kotô. Many of them are mass-produced, too, and don't reveal anything which could be called worth being collected.

 

And another big part of Western collections are blades produced by unimportant smiths, showing lots of forging faults, nondescript in form, hada, and hamon, or just boring because "weapons of Japanese origin" were collected instead of "art swords." All the swords of this lowest level are of course not to be classified accordingly, since the marks of schools, times, provinces, or even masters can not even be suspected. Certainly many of these blades show a kind of "quality;" it is even possible that when looking at and examining the blade intensively certain few details can be called beautiful or perfect, but nevertheless, one should be advised against being occupied with blades of low level since bad swords spoil the eyes, figuratively if not literally.

 

Some collectors seem to have a positive propensity for choosing those types of swords that are best classed as non-Nihontô. Whatever they are, they're not true Nihontô. They are utterly devoid of any artistic feature. Our misguided friend exhibits his non-Nihontô "treasures" with such obvious pride and pleasure that one is placed in a quandary between insipid pretense and brutal honesty. Perhaps the better course is to avoid outright condemnation and to attempt a patient explanation of the basic requirements of a good Nihontô and a gentle comparison of his selections with those preferred by recognized experts. If the explanations and demonstrations fail to register after a few efforts, and irritation and frustration begin to mount, it may be best to desist and to accept the situation. The collector loves his monstrosities faithfully despite confrontation with genuine examples and rational explanations. In such cases further insistence would appear to be a deliberate effort to undermine his pleasure. He's entitled to the protection of the maxim of the ancient hedonists: "If the pleasure is equal, pushpenny is as good as philosophy." Our collector of non-Nihontô has one advantage: his swords usually cost substantially less than sophisticated choices.

 

To summarize, if Nihontô are worth the money they cost, they should be worth the time and effort required to understand them. Learning Nihontô, like learning any art form, is a gradual accumulation, a slow development of visual and critical acuity, a crystallization of standards, and finally complete rapport with the subject. There is no magic formula and no secret shortcut: the road is tortuous and long....

 

The benefits of study may be perceived on three levels. At the basic level, the collector learns the distinguishing characteristics of a Nihontô: sugata; hamon and hada and how to recognize them; types and classifications; origin, development, and decline. He begins to distinguish old from new, genuine from copy, crude from fine, commercial from art and other minutiae. He may make some poor choices, but he will learn to rectify his errors.

 

Often dealers, and some collectors, too, advise neophytes in maxim form: "buy your experience." It's a variant of "learn by your mistakes." They mean by this that the toll for mistakes exacted by the purse makes the most unforgettable lesson of all. The advice is tinged with cynicism. It is true, of course, that experience is a great teacher and we must all learn from it, but there is no wisdom in buying first and discovering the mistake second. As the Chinese sages reasoned, the experience by which one learns need not be one's own. One can learn from the experiences of others and save oneself costly errors. The capsule advice of the numismatists "buy the book before the coin" is much sounder advice. The coin book distinguishes the genuine from the counterfeit and gives dates, identification marks, and values. The coin collector avoids mistakes at the small cost of the book and the time to study its pages. In the same way, the cost of a good library on Nihontô is in most cases much less than that of the purchase of one Nihontô that was priced for fine quality but was actually inferior.

 

At the intermediate level, to which serious study and application should bring the collector, he will be better informed than the majority of antique and Asian art dealers, except for those few who are specialists in Nihontô. There is no exaggeration in this declaration. For most dealers the Nihontô is only one item among a large stock of numerous categories. Many don't even pretend to be knowledgeable, except the less-reliable ones, whose expertise rises in direct proportion to the ignorance of the customer and the price of the blade. The intermediate collector knows after the first few comments whether the dealer is knowledgeable, and the extent to which his statements may be relied upon.

 

The advantage to the intermediate collector who knows more about Nihontô than the dealer is considerable. The inexpert dealer will often price his stock unevenly, particularly when he has acquired a collection as a lot. The collector enjoys the possibility of acquiring better Nihontô at lower prices. The intermediate collector is not overawed by the dealer, and at auction sales, he makes his choices and fixes his limits confidently.

 

At the third level the collector is an expert in his own right. His standards and opinions, developed over a period of time, are his own. He knows that there will always be controversial swords, conflicting opinions, disparate valuations, and questionable standards, but he is also aware that disagreements among experts are limited to a tiny proportion of swords. In the larger areas there is near total accordance among experts. Therefore an opposing opinion, however vehement, will not unsettle him. When he shows a fellow expert his latest prize, which he felt lucky to acquire for $12,000, and the collector says with admiration "What an exquisite blade! If I owned it, you could not buy it from me for less than $5,000!" his feelings are not ruffled.

 

The expert's standards may or may not accord with popular standards. He may judge a favored Tôshô as overrated. He may regard certain hamon as more indicative of temporary trend than of permanent quality. On the other hand, he may recognize some quality in an unappreciated Tôshô. He may collect certain overlooked Nihontô that according to his standards are undervalued. If his judgments are established in the crucible of time, his bargains of yesteryear may be the record breakers of next year .

 

The dealer (including the investor) is in search of profit on Nihontô; the collector in search of Nihontô for their own sake. This is basically true. It does not follow, however, that the collector is unaffected by commercial considerations, or that he's unresponsive to the valuations of the marketplace, or that his desires for acquisitions are uncontaminated by extraneous influences. The fact is that it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to practice a selectivity motivated solely by pure love of beauty. The soul-searching honesty of immaculate aesthetics is beyond most of us. My point may become clear when we attempt to distinguish between the intrinsic and extrinsic qualities of a Nihontô.

 

What is intrinsic or inherent in a Nihontô is the technique of the craftsman, including his material, combined with his creativeness as an artist. Under strict interpretation of the intrinsic concept of beauty, this quality invests the object once for all when it leaves its creator's hands. After that, everything else that befalls it is extrinsic and subject to the dictates of the marketplace. Under this rigid definition, age and patina of the nakago are not part of intrinsic quality, since they were not wrought by the artist but by time. Even the mei may be considered extrinsic, since it is an identification only and is not part of the design nor of the creation of the essential object. The same is true for the style of yasurime.

 

Admittedly, so strict an interpretation of intrinsic quality is hard to swallow. A contrary case may be easily made out for the signature as an artistic embellishment, and for age as a result of the period when the artist worked. But even though we accept signature and age as intrinsic qualities of the object itself, we have still to contend with a formidable array of extrinsic influences. Among these are the status of the smith; his popular appeal; whether he or his style is in disfavor or riding a vogue; the region in which he worked; the collectors who owned the piece previously; its use as illustration; the opinions of dealers, critics, and connoisseurs; whether similar pieces have appeared on the market recently and the prices they fetched; the condition of the Nihontô; quality of polish, habaki and shirasaya (or koshirae, which is a field of collecting by itself), and a host of others. One or another of these extraneous considerations may not influence some collectors as much as others, but they do affect all of us to some extent. In any case they certainly influence the valuations that the market places on Nihontô and consequently the prices we must pay for acquiring them.

 

There are many collectors whose first question is "who signed it?" for an indication of value rather than "how good is it?" for an indication of quality. The concern with signature often seems unduly exaggerated. Some collectors search for a signature before they look for quality. This cardinal concern with signature before quality is certainly a warping of values and a reversal of artistic priorities. Our first consideration should be for the elements of quality. Without quality, the greatest signature is a worthless endorsement. We should be buying the sword, not the name.

 

The approach of some collectors is even more absurdly tilted toward signature: they are concerned about the very fact of a signature - any signature - with hardly a regard for the identity or status of the Tôshô. Their first question is "is it signed?" not even "who signed it?"; if it is signed - no matter whose the signature may be - it is thought to be somehow better. This is certainly a case of buying a signature instead of a Nihontô.

 

Not all collectors demand signed Nihontô with an eye to market values. For many a collector, the value of the signature is the assurance of authenticity that it affords. Any misgivings he may have, any lack of confidence in the opinions of others or in his own judgment, these are submerged in the security of a signature. The signature, like the endorsement on a check, tends to bolster his confidence and to support his judgment against whatever doubts there may be. It serves him as a warranty or a certification.

 

On the other hand, the collector who chooses the unsigned twin at a reduced cost demonstrates a confidence in his knowledge and in his recognition of quality. Being primarily concerned with quality, he readily chooses unsigned Nihontô at a lower price than equivalent Nihontô bearing signatures at a higher price. What is even more advantageous for the confident collector is that he is unlikely to be deceived by false signatures or, regardless of signature, by Nihontô of dubious quality. He relies on quality, not on signature. He relies on contents, not on labels. For him, a signature may confirm or corroborate craftsmanship and style, but he will never accept it as a substitute for quality.

 

When a distinction between collectors and dealers is based on their appreciation of Nihontô, it is subject to considerable skeptical erosion. There are collectors who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. There are collectors who will not make a purchase unless convinced it is a bargain. There are collectors who practically demand an assurance from the dealer of a prospective increase in value. There are collectors whose proudest boast is for the Nihontô they acquired through their bargaining and cunning, or through the dealer's ignorance. No criticism is directed at collectors who carefully husband their meager allocations in seeking good value for what they spend. The criticism is for those collectors whose primary concern is with price and who search for bargains to an extent that distorts or warps their standards, with the result that quality is relegated to secondary status behind the bargain.

 

On the other hand, there are dealers who cherish each and every Nihontô that passes through their hands, whether arriving as a purchase or departing as a sale. There are dealers who will deliberately overpay for Nihontô they love, knowing how doubtful it is that they will be able to dispose of them profitably. There are dealers who handle and study their Nihontô with as much tenderness and appreciation as collectors bestow on their favorites.

 

Sometimes swords have flaws or are damaged. Kizu are of frequent occurrence in Nihontô. It would be surprising were it otherwise. Nihontô were in use for generations over hundreds of years, subject to damage, combat, negligence, and excessive polish. Polishing always involves removal of the original material. Collectors' responses to kizu are as varied as their responses to the Nihontô themselves. Reactions are frequently uncertain, unsettled, or confused, and when they are not, they may be strongly biased. The same collector who accepts one type of kizu with equanimity may shudder with the horrors from another. For some the devotion to a flawed but otherwise fine sword may be as undiminished as a mother's love for her ugly child.

 

The collector says "I wanted the sword, but it had a kizu." Behind the statement, one senses a quandary, a dilemma, a perplexing question that takes a variety of forms when prompted into frank expression: "Is it wise to buy a damaged Nihontô?" "Can a flawed Nihontô enhance a collection?" "Does the reduced price justify the damaged acquisition?"

 

An attempt to respond forthwith to the general question with general answers will often disintegrate into compounded confusion and vague generalities lacking content. The problem is that more than one factor is involved. No answer may be final or entirely satisfactory, but certainly the most sensible beginning is to clarify the factors and so narrow the issues. To gain an understanding of some of the factors may help those of us who suffer from "damage vacillation," even though we may not be provided with categorical instructions. It goes without saying that the following doesn't apply to Shinsakutô (modern-era blades).

 

When is a Nihontô a flawed Nihontô ? In Oriental art, whether bronze, jade, lacquer, Ukiyo-e, or porcelain, condition plays an important part in determining value. Although Nihontô are subject to the same standards, some modification of the definition of perfect condition is applied in their particular case. For example, Inrô or Ukiyo-e in absolutely pristine condition would justify topmost prices, while the identical state in Nihontô, as though fresh from the Tôshô's smithy, would generate suspicions that would undermine a topmost valuation. An antique Nihontô in unused, or rather unpolished, state is, in the eyes of the marketplace, simply unbelievable. Nihontô must be secondhand. They are expected to show some signs of wear. But the wear on a Nihontô must be slight and not so far advanced as to suggest imperfection. In other words, the signs of use must ideally stop at the stage that supports authenticity and go no further. The demarcation between wear that authenticates and enhances, and wear that is detrimental and detracts is fixed - usually but not always - with a fair amount of agreement among collectors. Nevertheless, the point is clear that perfect condition in a Nihontô is not the same unused and unworn state as perfect condition in lacquer, prints, and other categories. In relation to Nihontô, we must accept the Japanese verdict that only Kannon, the goddess of mercy, is perfect.

 

What is the relationship between Kizu and age? Most collectors will agree that minor jizukare, or kirikomi (battle marks) on the mune, and similar small defects are acceptable in direct relationship to the age of the Nihontô. For example, a hamon narrowed down through repeated polishing in a thirteenth-century Ko-Aoe Tsuguyori blade would be regarded much less seriously than it would be in a seventeenth-century Tsuda Sukehiro, and in the Sukehiro less seriously than in a nineteenth-century Taikei Naotane. The average collector is more lenient in his demand for excellent condition in judging older Nihontô than in judging younger ones. The identical flaw ignored with equanimity in an Bizen Motoshige may cause the ready rejection of a sword by Suishinshi Masahide. This attitude is certainly rational and logical. The older a Nihontô is, the longer it has been exposed to actual use and subjected to polishing, the more wear and injury it may be expected to have sustained during its lifetime. The doctrine of fair wear and tear applies.

 

What is the relationship between damage and value? We are bound to recognize the unyielding decree of the marketplace that a Nihontô commands a considerable premium for its excellent condition. Perfect state means peak price. Related corollaries are equally true. Small damages will reduce the value of the identical Nihontô, in some cases quite considerably. If we increase the damage to major proportions - hagire (cracks in the edge), fukure (blisters), kakedashi (the hamon extends all the way to the cutting edge), saiha (re-tempering), an obvious repair (like umegane) or a major re-shaping - we may reduce the same fine Nihontô we have under consideration to the price of a mediocrity.

 

And then, of course, we have "flaws" that are no flaws. A neophyte might reject a sword as being saiha because of mizukage, not knowing it is a common occurrence in Horikawa and Hizen Tadayoshi school swords. He thinks that yakiotoshi, where the hamon begins above the hamachi, means a blade is worthless because he doesn't know it might indicate a sword from Kyûshû.

 

Many a collector boasts that he will not buy a piece unless it is in perfect condition. Should he discover damage of which he was unaware, he disposes of the Nihontô despite its merits. There is no fault to find with the collector who demands perfect condition and is willing to pay peak prices. The perfectionist is quite understandable. The art advisers approve his attitude as an investment policy. They assert that it is the art objects in the best condition that show the greatest increase in price. However, investment appreciation is not every collector's concern, and not every collector can afford premium prices.

 

At the opposite extreme from the collection of perfect specimens, or Perfect Collection, as we may call it, is the collection of damaged Nihontô - the Damaged Collection, so to speak. A collection of damaged pieces would certainly be acquired on the cheap, though it might well contain, however dismaying the damage, a sprinkling of great Tôshô and great forging.

 

As a brief diversion, it is amusing to imagine a collector offering examples from his collection to illustrate not smiths and schools but types of kizu! As bizarre as this might sound, collecting flawed Nihontô is not unimaginable, nor is it necessarily an absurdity. The collector who acquires damaged pieces is not ipso facto a radical or a dolt.

 

If I may deduce a principle from the above, it is that a Nihontô may have flaws yet retain its uniqueness and original quality, or it may suffer minor damage that severely compromises its merits. Every collector must answer to his own satisfaction to what extent the ugliness of the flaw mars the beauty or rarity of the piece. Despite all that may be said in order to clarify the factors and to fix guidelines, the ultimate decision about the acquisition of damaged Nihontô is no less subjective than it would be were the Nihontô undamaged.

 

Somewhat tangentially, I would like to take note of the collector who prides himself on his eagle eye, his inordinate ability to spot the most minor defect or damage. A Nihontô one has owned for ages and has examined numerous times may suddenly reveal a defect. When we ourselves discover a tiny scratch after a long period of ownership, we suffer the remorse of a confessed vandal in fear that we ourselves, by our own carelessness, may have caused the damage. We ask ourselves whether we could have failed to notice the damage when we acquired the piece and at all the other times when we examined it. More often, however, it is our colleague of the piercing vision who spots the injury. Our emotions on being advised of damage to a heretofore perfect sword are of course mixed. We like to know all we possibly can about our own Nihontô, but the damage dismays us. Besides, we would like to discover the faults ourselves and not be told about them by a visitor who was only supposed to look.

 

Occasionally someone will point out to us alleged damage that, to our great relief, we find is fancied or imagined or that results from the spotter's ignorance. We sometimes experience a tinge of annoyance with this expert finder of damage, this defect fetishist. Our annoyance with the damage-spotter burgeons if we know that detecting damage is his only claim to expertness. He boasts about his sharp vision. "No damage gets by me," he says. In his inordinate, abnormal concern with damage, he is like the specialist in pathology examining diseased tissue under a microscope, or the monkey searching for lice. We do not mind so much if our owl-eyed friend is genuinely interested in Nihontô. The damage-spotter we resent is the one whose expertness is limited to imperfections and who has very little knowledge of Nihontô in general. He needs no reading, no study, and no application for his gratuitous field of endeavor. He needs only visual acuity and a morbid fascination with defects. He can exercise his exaggerated concern free of all sensitivity to craftsmanship and artistry.

 

The knowledgeable collector who looks for quality will not be influenced by great name or by snob appeal. He may prefer the dealers' auctions, feeling that there he will more likely find bargains. When he attends the name auctions, he will bid for the unnoticed or overlooked sleeper, but he will retreat from the contagious contests for popular masterpieces that grow too heated. This course is not in conflict with the excellent maxim "buy the best quality you can afford." The advice, when expertly trimmed, is to buy the best quality, but not necessarily to look for it where it is popularly assumed to be, nor to acquire it at absurd cost.

 

Quality Nihontô at bargain prices may sometimes be found in the shops of dealers. Not every dealer is a Nihontô expert, but even the expert dealer is inevitably influenced in fixing his prices not only by his costs but also by his prejudices and preferences, his personal likes and dislikes, and his arbitrary opinion about what a particular sword is worth. It is often said that art objects, including Nihontô, are blind or half-blind. The "blindness" is in the subjectiveness of value, the impossibility of determining a precise value or of scaling uniform increments for higher or lower quality. Nihontô cannot be precisely priced like a box of cereals.

 

To warrant a top valuation, a Nihontô must accord with the style that is regarded as characteristic of the Tôshô. It's the smith's characteristic work - the unmistakable work - that arouses the stiffest competition. Is this standard justified ? The matter is certainly controversial. The affirmatives say that Echizen Yasutsugu's swords with Aoi-Mon were forged in his golden period and are worth more than his swords from Shimozaka days. However, a few observations may be relevant. As a creator, the artist sees the world with fresh eyes. He may lose his "innocence" when under social pressure, after becoming famous and expected to make swords exactly like those that brought on this fame in the first place. On the other hand, his long experience gives him a control over the blade he didn't have when he started forging swords.

 

Fads, trends, and vogues do not exert the sudden life-and-death effect on Nihontô that they do on the products of modern art. However, interest in a certain Tôshô or a particular school tends to flare and surge now and then in direct reaction to a record price or to an important sword. In those cases where overlooked and undervalued Nihontô are spotlighted to reveal their true worth, the increase in price is most proper . The new price accords with quality. In other cases, however, the response is not so much to quality as to the tendency to join popular movements, to go with the crowd. Fads, vogues, and trends in art come and go, but quality and good taste endure. The collector who assiduously searches for quality rather than for the "in" Tôshô or the trendy Bizen model will in the long run pay less and have more. Vogues and trends are temporary, quality is permanent.

 

Now to deal with our main theme, lawful avoidance: how to continue collecting while avoiding error, extravagance, and excessive cost.

 

As he shows his acquisitions, a collector sometimes makes one or another of the following statements somewhat apologetically:

 

"This sword isn't very good, but I thought I ought to have an example of this school."

"I bought this one because I needed the naginata-naoshi type."

"I've given up trying to find this smith in decent quality; I was lucky to get this one at all."

"I bought this for hamon, since I didn't have saka-chôji."

"I suppose every collection should have one of these."

 

Why should any collector feel compelled to buy a Nihontô when his heart isn't in it? To the extent that he makes purchases of things he doesn't really want, he is not collecting but accumulating. He is not expressing himself, his own interests, his own tastes and preferences, but those of someone else. He is collecting by rote and by popular demand, by what he feels is expected of him and of his collection. If this kind of collecting is carried to the extreme, to the ultimate reductio ad absurdum, he makes a collection for everyone else but not for himself. What is the purpose of a collection if not to delight the owner and to make a personal statement of his interest in the art?

 

There is another aspect of the "ought-to-have" collection in lieu of the "what-I-like" collection. If one acquires Nihontô because they fill voids, blanks, and gaps in his collection and continues on this course, he will as a logical conclusion accumulate examples of all types, hamon, periods, areas, and artists. His collection will eventually be fully representative and will encompass the universe of Nihontô. It will be a Comprehensive Collection. It is the type of collection many collectors easily amassed during the plentiful and cheap era of Nihontô collecting before the 1960's.

 

The Comprehensive Collection is best suited to function as a study and teaching collection. It includes examples to illustrate almost any point about Nihontô that the student might wish to learn or the teacher might wish to illustrate. Since it covers all phases and facets of the subject, it is necessarily of considerable size. It is the proper collection for the museum or institution. Comprehensive Collections, like other collections, may be found on various levels of quality from ordinary to superb. Quality would have little effect on its usefulness as a tool for learning and teaching. What all Comprehensive Collections have in common, regardless of quality, is their horizontal formation. They cover the entire field - a characteristic that gives the collection, in geometric terms, its level plane. It need not deal with any particular phase in depth. It therefore stands in contrast with the vertical line of the in-depth collection, which is specialized or limited to particular aspects. The Specialized Collection will be discussed later.

 

There is certainly no fault to find with the collector whose interest and predilection lead him to the Comprehensive Collection. It is a commendable goal if it is his pleasure to represent fully the various aspects, phases, and facets of Nihontô. He can explain and demonstrate any direction the Nihontô compass shows. The point is that our comprehensive collector is then expressing his interest, he is "doing his own thing". The objection is to the practice of the collector whose haphazard acquisitions "by popular request" are leading him willy-nilly in the direction of the Comprehensive Collection, which he might be the first to disclaim as his goal. To the extent that he buys what he neither needs nor likes, he is committing the utmost extravagance. He pays for third-party approval and wastes his money on Nihontô that do not satisfy him most of all.

 

Save the money that you would spend on Nihontô you ought to have, and spend it instead on the Nihontô you want to have. Take the piece that satisfies your heart's desire, and reject the one that leaves you unaffected, even though it be the object of great acclaim. Your acquisitions should elate your spirits; they need not stir the envy nor win the approval of your colleagues. As a sincere collector, you do what you should when you listen to new suggestions and contrary opinions patiently, and consider them thoughtfully, but extract only so much as commingles naturally with your own taste and bent.

 

Some collectors want to have nothing but "the best". Whatever acquisitions they make must be "best of class." They aim at a collection that will be of zenith quality in each and every sword. It is hardly informative to point out that the competitions for the best Rai Kunitoshi, the best Hankei, and the best Gassan Sadaichi are the hottest and costliest. Winning bids are always at record levels, and the collector must be prepared for an exceptionally high unit cost. The collector in pursuit of such rare examples joins the hounds in pursuit of the fox - a small pack, true, but way too large for the rarity of the quarry. The number of Kunitoshi blades is limited, but the number of collectors is virtually unlimited.

 

The first question to ask about such an ambition is whether the goal of the Best Collection is attainable. The answer is a clear "no," for the reason that what is best in art is neither definable nor measurable in absolute terms. On the contrary, it is variable and subjective. While our collector of the best will not acquire the Best Collection, he may acquire a superb collection, one that is superb in the unanimous opinion of all connoisseurs. However, some collections of superb quality have attained the rank despite the absence of a single Rai. In this respect, collecting Nihontô does not differ from collecting Ukiyo-e, postage stamps, rare books, or Chinese porcelain. There are great collections of Ukiyo-e that do not contain an unpublished Sharaku, of postage stamps that do not contain a British 1840 Penny Black, of rare books that do not contain a Gutenberg Bible or a Shakespeare folio edition.

 

Possibly the reason for the sense of deprivation of the collector who finds the "best smiths" beyond his grasp, is his proximity in time to the easy availability of these rarities prior to the 1960's. Although fine examples have been acquired by many living collectors, the gap in a collection is no justification for frustration or despair. Even without a representative work of Kotetsu, superb collections not only are in existence but also are in a nascent stage of formation.

 

There is a characteristic of the Best Collection that should be pointed out here as an aid to an understanding of the Specialized or Vertical Collection, which we will discuss later. The Best Collection is on the rarefied level of peaks, pinnacles, and summits. It does not descend to plateaus, foothills, and valleys that stretch out between. It is an assemblage of superb examples without any particular relationship except for the fact that all are Nihontô. The collection will demonstrate that Nihontô are marvels in steel. It is, however, lacking in standards, comparisons, and relationships; it is lacking in depth. In geometrical terms, the Best Collection resembles the previously discussed Comprehensive Collection. Both rest on horizontal planes, although the Best Collection attains the more rarefied atmosphere of a high plateau.

 

Charles Mitchell suggested a type of collection that he applied most successfully to Ukiyo-e, a field in which he is a recognized expert. He calls it the Quintessential Collection. He describes the planning and composition of the Quintessential collection in substantially the following words: "I had a predetermined limit of 20 prints with a predetermined breakdown according to periods, artists, subjects, and formats. Approximately 25% of the prints were primitives, 5% in the middle period, and 25% in the late period. Each of the six most important artists had to be represented by at least six prints. All other major artists had to have a proportionate representation, and interesting minor artists had to have some representation. The breakdown by subject was 3% actors, 25% beautiful women, 15% erotica, 10% genre scenes, 10% historical subjects, and 5% each birds and flowers and comic prints. All of the various formats and techniques had to be covered by the collection in about the same proportion as they occurred in the art itself. It was fun plotting all this out, and it certainly posed many problems in the course of collecting to fill the blanks, but in the end I had something that could be called a Quintessential Collection, and a viewing of the 20 prints would give someone an accurate idea of what Ukiyo-e was as a whole."

 

The Quintessential Collection is easily applicable to Nihontô. Instead of Ukiyo-e formats we would have Tachi, Katana, Wakizashi, Tantô. Instead of primitive prints we would have Kamakura period blades. Instead of major and minor artists we would have a range of Tôshô in our examples. Types of hamon would be extensively represented. The Quintessential Collection is quite well-adapted to Nihontô. It offers the prudent collector important advantages.

 

Before the collector can embark upon his quest for the Nihontô that will compose his Quintessential Collection, he must determine how many pieces he will acquire, which aspects of the art are major and should be emphasized, which aspects are minor and need only thin representation, and finally the percentages he will devote to each facet of the art so that it may be viewed in its entirety. His acquisitions are deliberately plotted and planned in advance with pencil and paper. As the collection takes form and purchases are made, the spaces on the plot are checked off. Thus the Quintessential Collector must be prepared with prior knowledge of the art and with a thoughtfully-deliberated plan. He must know every facet in order to make intelligent decisions about his ideal representations and percentages. The economical benefit of familiarization and study of the subject prior to making acquisitions is obvious. Our largest percentage of errors will usually occur in our initial burst of enthusiasm when we are introduced to the art, and each and every Nihontô seems wonderful, fresh, and free of flaws.

 

The Quintessential Collection, by its very nature as a deliberately planned operation, tends to eliminate certain collecting errors. Many collections grow by haphazard accumulation. The collector buys a sword because it is attractive or of good quality or a bargain or because he feels rich that day. Although he consistently buys good quality, he may find himself loaded with more of a particular type than he needs. His acquisitions are fine, except that they are sometimes duplications or repetitions. Like the magic bean stalk, his collection just grows and grows with no apparent limit in size or balance in representation. A fixed numerical limit and a predetermined plan accord purpose and significance to each acquisition. The plot and plan of the Quintessential Collection requires that each piece shall fill a space and represent the specific aspect of the art for which it was intended. It must "fit" as an integral unit of the entire representation of the art. One Nihontô may serve to represent several different aspects of Nihontô. For example, it may represent Tachi as a type; chû-suguha as a hamon; ko-nie and nioi as habuchi; ashi, yô, kinsuji, and inazuma as hataraki; a bo-hi as horimono; rai-hada as jigane; and Ryôkai as a Tôshô. Obviously there should be no waste, no misspent money, and no duplication in a Quintessential Collection.

 

Even though limited to 10 or 15 swords, the Quintessential Collection may be sufficient numerically to represent accurately and adequately the art of Nihontô as a whole. As Nihontô increase in scarcity and expensiveness, the smaller collection becomes more rational and practical. Collectors may find the Quintessential Collection, with its built-in safeguard against error and waste, a prudent and economical method of collecting. It is never too late for the collector to turn the direction of his acquisitions into a Quintessential Collection, though it will require the formulation of a game plan and the elimination of Nihontô that do not belong.

 

The Quintessential Collector must have the tenacity to adhere to and persevere with his plan, and to refrain from acquisitions, however alluring, that do not fill the voids in his plan. When his collection is completed, he will have the satisfaction of showing a relatively small collection that is nevertheless representative of the art as a whole.

 

The Specialized Collection stands in geometric contrast with the horizontal forms of the Comprehensive Collection and the Best Collection. Its form is vertical. It is the in-depth collection. It is the favored collecting approach of connoisseurs whose axiom is "collect in depth." What does the term mean, and why is it wise to "collect in depth?"

 

We begin with analogies from the fields of postage stamps and Chinese porcelain. These hobbies have stood the tests of greater numbers and longer time than Nihontô. The philatelist soon learns that amassing a few stamps from this country and a few from that, a few of this period and a few of that, a few of one type and a few of another, and a few misprints makes a poor collection. It is an assemblage of unrelated specimens, except for their common classification as postage stamps. It is the juvenile and amateur approach to philately. The knowledgeable collector specializes, whether in French colonial stamps or nineteenth-century Canadian stamps or floral stamps or triangular stamps, but he always collects according to his special interests. Likewise the thoughtful collector of Chinese porcelain does not assemble one example each of various periods, areas, types, and glazes, but instead concentrates on Ming blue-and-white or Qing export ware. This is the in-depth collection or Specialized Collection. It tells the story of a particular aspect, its origin and development, its flowering and decadence, its evolvement, modifications, and offshoots. It shows standards, relationships, and comparisons. It informs, demonstrates, and teaches. We learn from it and expand our knowledge. Between the high walls of its narrow edifice, it reveals the whole story of a specific aspect of the art. It is an eminently effective collection. Each member of the Specialized Collection is related in some way to every other member. Each unit gains something from the other units of the collection. Thus the collection as a whole is worth more than the total of its individual pieces. It exemplifies the maxim "a good collection is greater than the sum of its parts." It forms a true collection and it is more valuable as a collection than the totality of the units of which it is comprised.

 

How may the principles of the Specialized Collection be applied to Nihontô? Let us suppose that a collector notes a few pieces signed Ômi no Kami Sukemasa (the name of any other little-known Tôshô will serve as well). He is attracted by Sukemasa's strong jigane, his thick, even nie, his healthy functionalism. He detects a resemblance to Inoue Shinkai, and learns that Sukemasa was one of the "hammer men" of the hobby smith Tokugawa Nariaki. He gradually comes to the conclusion that Sukemasa is a fine Shinshintô-period Tôshô relatively unnoticed and unreported. He feels that he is not appreciated at his true worth. He decides to collect Sukemasas. By assiduously watching the shops and auctions over a period of time, he gathers together an impressive number of his swords.

 

What has our hypothetical Sukemasa collector accomplished?

 

1. He has amassed a unique collection. In numbers and in depth, there is no comparable collection of Naoe Sukemasa.

2. His collection affords the basis for a survey and history of Sukemasa as a Tôshô: his technique, treatment and style, his first efforts, development, best period, and late work; his ability and standing; his peculiarities and singularities; his successes and failures, how he compares with other Tôshô of similar style in the same period, and his relationships to other Tôshô as teacher or apprentice or co-worker.

3. He has made a contribution to our knowledge of Nihontô. He has filled in some of the gaps and voids in our information about Sukemasa. His collection is instructive. It arouses our appreciation and respect.

4. He has revealed a good deal about himself, his personal relationship to Nihontô, his individual interests, preferences, and taste.

5. He has accomplished this at low cost. He collected Sukemasa when his merit was unrecognized and at a time when competition for his work was low and limited. Moreover, he acquired not only Sukemasa's "golden period" but also his early work and late work; not only his signal successes but also his telling "misses." As a "complete" collection, his Sukemasa are more valuable than the sum of the individual pieces. If his judgment about Sukemasa's quality is correct, the marketplace may eventually reflect an increase in its valuation of Sukemasa, much to the credit of his "discoverer."

 

The advantages of the Specialized Collection are considerable. It is a collection that is inspired by the collector's individual interests, tastes, and predilections. It accords with his personality and character, even with his whims and idiosyncrasies. It is his collection, based on his choice of those aspects of the subject that he finds most appealing and interesting. An important advantage of the Specialized Collection is the cost, which will be much lower than the cost for an assemblage of choice but unrelated examples. Since the purpose of the in-depth collection is to tell a complete story, it will include mediocre examples at low cost, as well as the Tôshô's superb flowerings at higher cost. Many specimens and examples, although important for standards, comparisons, and relationships, will cost considerably less than unrelated rarities. The Specialized Collector is apt to find himself a "loner" in the pursuit of his goal. He faces minimal competitive interest from the mass of collectors. Despite the lower cost, the interest and effectiveness of the Specialized Collection may be greater than that of some Best Collections.

 

Perhaps the most exciting prospect open to the Specialized Collector is that of uncovering a Tôshô, a technique, or a type that for one reason or another is unnoticed, neglected, ignored, or unappreciated. He has the opportunity to pursue his natural partialities and preferences, and at the same time to focus attention on some hitherto-overlooked group of Nihontô. A considerable volume of literature has been published that has led directly to reappraisals of individual Tôshô or schools.

 

This doesn't mean that the last word has been spoken about better known swords, like Hizen-tô. R. J. Robertshaw showed us in 1999 with his book "The School of Tadayoshi" how original research and a fresh approach can make us seeing this lineage of smiths in a new light. The possibilities are quite numerous. They are waiting for their discoverers.

 

I stress time and again that only studying the subject in depth will enable us to form a collection that is both within our financial reach and worth being actually called a collection due to its quality. But I also have to admit that only reading books and looking at swords without guidance will never lead us to true connoisseurship. We need to learn from our peers as well, be it as a member of a sword club or under the tutelage of a seasoned collector.

 

I was lucky to both having lived extended periods of time in Japan, and meeting some fine gentlemen who freely shared their knowledge and "taught me swords" without ever asking anything in return. But being the student of a true expert doesn't automatically make oneself an expert, too. The taller the shoulders of the giants on which we try to stand, the deeper and harder the fall can be. I don't say this to appear appropriately Zen-ish, but in the painful knowledge that I probably never will reach the level of expertise of some of those who taught me.

 

I also met some very strange persons in the "sword world," in Japan as well as in Europe and the United States. It therefore makes learning the basics even more important in order to stay clear of those self-proclaimed "experts" who have an answer to everything and true knowledge of nothing. This is especially true for the Internet. You never know if the person who answers your question is a Nihontô scholar of note, or just some pretender who happens to own a couple of books on Nihontô he uses to the best of his advantage in disguising himself as a connoisseur. Those with experience look behind the facade easily enough, just as a scientist who devoted his entire life to research knows after the first few words whether his colleague is exactly that, or just someone who answered the advertisement, "Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited universities, no required tests, classes, books, or interviews. Bachelors, masters, MBA, and doctorate (PhD) diplomas available in the field of your choice."

 

Knowledge can't be bought like the above-mentioned diplomas. Only the newcomer might be impressed by the aplomb, the liberal use of Pidgin-Japanese, and the real or pretended acquaintance with well-known collectors and/or dealers our hypothetical impostor uses to corroborate his "credibility."

 

So who are the real experts? Some collectors want to make you believe that only a person of Japanese descent, "by grace of birth," so to speak, can gain deep insight into this complex field of studies - a myth many Japanese enjoy supporting. Granted, experts of a caliber of Dr. Homma Junji or Satô Kanzan are not found outside Japan. And although it's certainly true that a Japanese has the advantage of easier access to information - and art swords - it finally all comes down to the effort one puts into his studies, not place of birth or DNA. Quite a few non-Japanese have proven that in the past and will continue doing so in the future.

 

The critical reader may - not without reason - accuse me of having made myself the judge of what is right and wrong in our approach of appreciating and collecting Bijutsu Tôken. In writing law, a judge is limited to what is necessary to decide the case. Anything beyond what is necessary is termed "obiter dicta" and is not binding. The saying is that judges decide cases; they do not write law. Nevertheless, a judge is occasionally carried away with the force of his reasoning, and applies it to collateral matters not at issue. I hope I will be forgiven for having inserted here quite a few obiter dicta of my own. Like the judge's, it may be good law or it may be bad law, but since it is not binding, it will injure no one.

 

"The typical collector is a male, usually unbalanced in some direction, who, if he were normal, would not need to collect odd bits and pieces. I believe that any collector suffers from some kind of mental or psychological aberration, and that his collecting is a therapy which may run into a great deal of expense but which protects his sanity and allows him to operate in other fields fairly normally."

James A. Michener

[Baba Yaga]

Ya.... what ever he said  In this day and age everyone deserves everything for free. 

 

Here is some free info.

The sword is short for a Katana measurement. Know one will able to tell you "exactly why". It is what it is regardless the guess. 

Someone "polished" that blade in the near past, but the blade has no file marks. The finished Saya appears has some issues which caused the Polished blade many many scratches.  

Educated guessing- That blade has been around the block a few times and has been to Shinsa. It didn't pass, hence no papers. 

 

How much is all that worth monetarily? Depends how much money you're willing to pay. 

 

I suggest going to this website ( it's free)  and learning before leaping.  http://www.japaneses...ndex.com/nihonto.htm

[Alexander_R]

Thank you all for the replies and advice. I decided not to buy it. The price is 4000 USD. Initially I wanted nihonto muramachi period or earlier in nice koshirae and with shirasaya having Hozon certificate. So I will stand on my initial requirements. But the price for this is 8-10000 USD in our market, not a lot is offered and import is very difficult. Tomorrow I will post the photos of one of this katana for you evaluation if you do not mind and willing to dedicate me some more time. Thank you all again very much. I really appreciate your advice.

[Alexander_R]

Again asking for your opinion. Last time, I promise.  This time there is katana attributed to Gozaemon Yoshinaga with Hozon certificate. Nagasa 71 cm. The price is 8000 USD. What do you think about it? 

 

[Brian]

You know what nice swords some of the better dealers here on the NMB could supply you for that amount?
What exactly about this sword interests you?
You can get a really nice sword for $8000. Shipped anywhere in the world.

[Matsunoki]

Just my opinion, but you can’t actually reach any reliable conclusions from these images, certainly nothing that would encourage me to buy it at that price. What details can we see in the blade?……none. What quality can we see in the fittings…..unimpressive. Do we know if the blade has any “problems”….no.

From these images it’s a total gamble.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Can't see much, but here are some assumptions. 

 

$5K for the 28" sword, papers, shirasaya  and $3K for the koshirae. Not a bad deal at all monetarily , but is that what you want. Sometimes keeping hands in one owns pocket is a virtue. Good deals come and go all the time. 

[Alex A]

Aye, you don't want to have a sword turning up with an undisclosed flaw, flaws mentioned in the link Baba put on. That site and others, introductory books should be read before a first purchase.

 

You don't want to make the mistake many do and end up with buyers remorse.

 

Think about what your doing, you ok spending 8k on an unsigned sword ?

 

Maybe you have not seen other sites, like this and many others.

https://www.aoijapan.com/

 

[Matsunoki]

Buying swords based on hopes and assumptions is like stepping in a bear trap hoping it won’t hurt. Don’t be fooled by a low quality koshirae either.

 

[Char]

52 minutes ago, Alex A said:

Aye, you don't want to have a sword turning up with an undisclosed flaw, flaws mentioned in the link Baba put on. That site and others, introductory books should be read before a first purchase.

 

You don't want to make the mistake many do and end up with buyers remorse.

 

Think about what your doing, you ok spending 8k on an unsigned sword ?

 

Maybe you have not seen other sites, like this and many others.

https://www.aoijapan.com/

 

 

[Char]

Alexander just a suggestion a good book you should get is The Connoisseur's book of Japanese Swords and as Alex suggested search the overseas websites hope it helps.

[Alexander_R]

Thank you guys! I appreciate very much your concern. But I not so dumb as it can appear. I read a few books and know all the sites you mentioned. The problem is that is quite impossible to import from abroad swords in my country so I forced to look at what I have in the internal market. I now that the price are twice higher than the normal and offer is very limited. It was not my intention to buy the last sword blindly through internet, I have the possibility to see it and if needed to take expert with me. The sword is signed and have Hozon for blade and tsuba (the both were delivered after 2000). The smith is not very famous, he is listed in Hawley’s (YOS595). The fair price can be around 5000 K (IMHO). 

In all cases I appreciate very much your advise. May be I will wait for better times or opportunities to buy the sword. Thank you again for you  time.

[Brian]

Alexander,
We have over 32 countries on the forum. Mind telling us which country? Maybe we have other members who can assist?

[Alexander_R]

Russia (preferably) or Kazakhstan. The regulations are the same. I think you understand me why I did not mentioned it at the beginning

[Jon]

I can see your difficulties, I suppose the decision is around accepting the reality of your  own market and  if that is more expensive than others ( there are a few countries with import bans) . Also in really even if you wait to see what happens, you don’t know what the internal currency market will be like in a few years ( the yen may suddenly jump in value and the main export market goes through the roof price wise). So in the end it becomes a paradigm issue.

 

1) are you only willing buy a “good value” makes monetary sense purchase and or wait for a long time to find perfection that many never come…and don’t buy something even when you can get that which is accessible and you want at a price you’re willing to pay even if it’s more than in other markets and it’s a sword you have found and you like, that you know is genuine, with papers and with koshirae that will give you pleasure……

2) or buy the sword you want that will give you pleasure and happiness in being its keeper for a time.

 

personally and in really we don’t own anything other than our lives….live and enjoy it….get that which makes you happy…no one owns these swords we just pay for the pleasure of being their keepers for a time…if it will give you pleasure and you have the money pay the money….enjoy the sword…

 

But there is also pleasure in anticipation….especially for the collector..so if you think you can find better…you could also wait a bit….

 

im sort of suffering the same thing…there is a specific car I want….but it’s pretty expensive in the UK…in the states it’s around $15,000 cheaper…but I don’t live in the states so I have to live in my reality and how much the loverly car is going to cost me…it will not stop me  buying the car because a load of American ( lucky gits) are driving around in them  for $15,000 less than it will cost me….and quite frankly I don’t care…all I want is the mustang…..I’m not owning it I’m living it and that’s the important bit.

 

what I’m trying to say is if you like the sword, want the sword, can afford the sword and it will bring you please , buy the sword. Don’t not buy it because someone with access to the American or japans markets can at present get it cheaper…that’s not your reality..live your own.

[Alex A]

Hi Alexander, i could not easily see the mei on my pc, usually when folk mention "attribution", its usually an unsigned sword.

 

Anyways, i see your problem. 

 

Antiques and inflated prices a bad combination, is it worth it if that means taking a possible hit on future re-sale value?, depends on how much you want something and how deep your pockets are, i suppose. Also, sometimes the dream of owning something and the reality after a year of ownership can be two really different experiences. 

 

In a recent thread Colin gave some good advice, he said something along the lines of  "don't just buy something because its available". Its great advice and i know this from experience, you will never truly appreciate anything you purchase that way and likely sell it in the not to distant future.

 

Look for keepers, quality or something really like, something special. If nothing about then don't buy anything. That's how it goes, jeez, there is stuff myself and others have been hankering after for years.

 

Maybe consider a Wakizashi or Tanto? if nothing available, opens doors to better smiths and quality at a lower price.

 

Good luck with your search.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mywei]

I think this is signed from the blurry pictures of the nakago. The papers also state that it's signed Yoshinaga. I'm not familiar with Koyama Seki but assume it's a branch of Sue Seki

 

It appears ubu, but can't make out any more than that from the photos. Fittings are pretty ordinary. Normally I'd say that 8000USD is over priced in the normal market but obviously its inflated for the domestic market as you say.

 

Depends what you want. Is the goal just to collect a period blade in koshirae regardless of quality so you can display it or do you want to collect a piece to learn and move on from? 

 

[Brian]

There seems to be a fairly large Nihonto market in Russia. I expect it isn't impossible to import, maybe from East side rather than west.
We have a few Russian members. Maybe @andreYes can assist you.
Nihonto isn't treated like other "cold weapons" are they? I mean consider the fact that I collect AK bayonets, and stuff like NR/NRS/NR2/NRS-2 (HPC etc) now THOSE are hard to collect or find. Can't even mention them in Russian collector groups. Nihonto has to be a lot easier than that? I think there are Russian Japanese sword forums or groups too. One on guns.ru if I remember correctly?
@Bruce Pennington You have some knowledge there?

[Alexander_R]

Brian, you are right. We also have forums and knowledgeable people but it did not make a antique market bigger. By the way to look at the first sword was the recommendation of one of guns.ru members and from his participation in the forum activities you really can see its knowledge in the matter.  

There no problems with collection of antique swords. The only problem is the import. The only way to import the antique weapons for private person is to import it personally with him declaring it and proving that it is really antique with the help of designated by state experts. May be the narrow market can be explained by the lack of demand, such items being considering like a luxury. But 4k for Bizen Osafune without papers and not having a fatal  flaws is considered to be a good deal. 

[Bruce Pennington]

I only know of 2 Russian forums - Guns.ru and Askalon.  Guns.ru seems to be the biggest, but like Alexander said, I was surprised to see so few collectors, and not much of a sale market.  Sword collecting is an expensive hobby (I'm out of it since I retired!), so a nation's economic strength, and size of middle, and upper classes are likely to determine how many swords are moving in a country.

[Alexander_R]

Hello again, and thank you for helping me!

I have one more question about last katana I sent. Could you examine the Hozon certificate and tell me if I right determined the sword smith? 

Best regards to all

[PNSSHOGUN]

This site has many interesting swords that are papered, worth a look:

 

https://origami-token.ru/

[mywei]

18 minutes ago, Alexander_R said:

Hello again, and thank you for helping me!

I have one more question about last katana I sent. Could you examine the Hozon certificate and tell me if I right determined the sword smith? 

Best regards to all

No it is this one from Koyama Seki lineage (even though the kanji are the same) - https://nihontoclub.com/smiths/YOS607

 

Few online references I could find for you

https://auctionet.co...2-tenbun-tenmon-1555

https://www.e-sword....tantou/1510-3021.htm

[Bazza]

Alexander,

Wrong YOSHINAGA.  I think this is your man.

BaZZa.

 

Yoshinaga Submitted by kazarena on Mon, 2007-05-14 20:13 Wazamono 吉長 [Help] ◯  天文︱ 美濃 Yoshinaga ID YOS607 Province Mino Era Tenmon (1532-1555) Active Period 1532-1555 School Koyama Seki   Source Rating Reference/Page Hawley 15 YOS607  Toko Taikan ¥2M  737  Signatures: 吉長 yoshinaga   Login or register to post comments