Lee Bray Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 A friend in Hong Kong owns this unusual Showa-to. It was found in the basement of the Salisbury building by the owner in 1966. I mention that just because the building is around the corner from the Peninsula hotel, which was the Japanese military HQ during their occupation of HK in WW2. It has an unusual mei, possibly stamped Soshu script? It also has three, seemingly defaced arsenal stamps and the numbers 258. I have no clue as to what it says so looking for translation help, please. Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 Well, this is going to be one for the record books! Calling all translation experts! Quote
Brian Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 I don't think it's signed, I think it's stamped. And I have the feeling we have seen this before. Hmmm Quote
Stephen Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Brian said: I have the feeling we have seen this before. Yes we have. Quote
Lee Bray Posted June 26, 2023 Author Report Posted June 26, 2023 8 hours ago, Brian said: I don't think it's signed, I think it's stamped. And I have the feeling we have seen this before. Hmmm Meaning this sword or the stamped mei? I'm confused... Quote
Stephen Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Lee Bray said: I'm confused Yes the mei is stamped not cut. I don't have the foggiest what to search for 1 Quote
Brian Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 The stamped mei...whether this sword or another. I am not 100% sure even, but I recall this subject. Also not sure how to search for it. Maybe @k morita can assist? 1 Quote
vajo Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 I think that script is etched not stamped (but you both could be right and it is stamped) and i think it is a chinese made blade. 1 Quote
Lee Bray Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Posted June 27, 2023 Etched or stamped, difficult to say for certain with the pic but I'm curious as to why you think it is Chinese? Kissaki is properly shaped and defined and the kuri-jiri is properly shaped. It also appears to be machi-okuri, which I've never seen with fakes. FB has also dropped it in the fake box based on the arabic numerals and stamped characters, but a look through the arsenal stamps topic in militaria shows all are possible. Ignoring the unusual nakago markings, the sword itself, shapewise, is legit. Since it was found in '66, that would make it one of the very first fakes to be made, if they had even started back then, so it seems the fakers are going backwards with their sugata. 3 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted June 27, 2023 Report Posted June 27, 2023 Any hope for a translation? @SteveM @uwe @k morita and anyone else? 1 Quote
Nobody Posted June 27, 2023 Report Posted June 27, 2023 I only guess its first part. (???) 紀元二六〇五年 - 2605 Imperial year The writing style of numbers is rather strange for those days. 4 1 Quote
SteveM Posted June 27, 2023 Report Posted June 27, 2023 After the date 冨士? (Fuji), then illegible to me after that. Maybe the last one is 源 (Minamoto) I'm just guessing, too. Moriyama-san's reading of the date looks good to me though. Everything else...a mystery. 2 Quote
Lee Bray Posted June 28, 2023 Author Report Posted June 28, 2023 Many thanks to Moriyama-san, Steve, et al. I've passed on the info to the owner. I've also asked him if he wishes to pay for a Sesko translation but for that I assume I'll have to visit him and get some decent shots of the nakago, which I'll post here if it happens. Thanks again. Quote
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