Did I Get One Right?

[Bruce Pennington]

Guys, is this "Takayama-to Kinmichi kore saku" ?

 

 

 

[mdiddy]

Looks like Takayama-to Kanenao Kore Saku to my eye

[Bruce Pennington]

Dang!  Thought I had one right for a change.  I had a 50/50 chance on the kin/kane, and I had a nagging feeling the "michi" was wrong, but had forgotten that version of "nao" existed.

 

Thanks buddy!

[ROKUJURO]

KINMICHI?

https://japaneseswor...in-ww-ii-navy-mounts

[Bruce Pennington]

2 hours ago, ROKUJURO said:

KINMICHI?

https://japaneseswor...in-ww-ii-navy-mounts

Bingo!  Exact same smith and mei.  Thanks Jean, I guess I did get one right for a change.

[mdiddy]

3 hours ago, ROKUJURO said:

KINMICHI?

 

I don't think that's correct. I don't see how the circled character can be read as michi 道. It is nao 直. I recommend not assuming that because someone else said it on the internet that it is correct.

I think this swordsmith is Ishihara Kanenao 石原 金直. He is listed in Dr. Kim's translated list of Seki Tosho. The list also includes Kinmichi but it is 金道, not 金直. 

The list of Seki Tosho also includes another documented Takayama-to swordsmith Hattori Masahiro. Also another documented Takayama-to swordsmith signed Ishihara Masanao 石原正直. Probably Ishihara Kanenao is same or related to the other Takayama-to swordsmith Ishihara Masanao. I am not aware of there being a Takayama-to swordsmith Kinmichi.

[ROKUJURO]

Matt,

I cannot discuss that with you as I have no knowledge about this sword making era. If you click on the above link, you will find a very similar sword, and the maker was mentioned as KINMICHI. I don't see "NAO" on the NAKAGO, but I am no expert.

[mywei]

I think Matt is correct that it is Kanenao and not Kanemichi (ie the website is mistranslated)

[Bruce Pennington]

You guys gave me something to search, and sure enough, I have one posted by Mal Cox as Kanenao.  It's that extra vertical stroke on the left side of the 'nao' that throws me off.  Thanks everyone!

 

 

[Xander Chia]

On 8/11/2022 at 3:06 AM, Xander Chia said:

Hi Bruce,

I think the confusion is due to the “nao” on the right being displayed as “nao” on the left on a computer. Here is a link for further clarification. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/直

 

Pardon the handwriting,

Xander

Deja vu. Kinda confusing as I can’t type the other “直” on my iphone. It automatically switches to the one on the left.

[Bruce Pennington]

@Brian

 

Any chance of getting the Nao variant added to the "Kanji used in names" page?  You've got 2 versions there already, but not this one, and I've seen this a couple of times, or 3, on gunto.

[John C]

15 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

I have one posted by Mal Cox as Kanenao

Bruce:

Is that a souvenir sword?

John C.

[Bruce Pennington]

11 minutes ago, John C said:

Is that a souvenir sword?

Yes, it's the one I used for the intro photo for the Mysterious Naval Landing Sword article.  I just never had it recorded in my files!  @Jcstroud prompted me about it and I got the photos from my old AF buddy through an email.

Here's the whole sword and upside-down anchor.

 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Bruce Pennington said:

@Brian

 

Any chance of getting the Nao variant added to the "Kanji used in names" page?  You've got 2 versions there already, but not this one, and I've seen this a couple of times, or 3, on gunto.

Will see what I can do. Sometimes the installed fonts resist and change them. Will try.