GARY WORTHAM Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 I find that unique properties of Japanese sword fittings, always are overlooked, for their exploration; of their source, use, and history. One, being the wrapping of the tsuka. Silk, cloth, leather, etc.; all flash thru over hands, as we examine a sword in it's full dress. Yet, the use of whale baleen, in the wrapping of the tsuka, finds me in deep thought, as to why it was used, how it was produced, and when was it in vogue, and where is it today; I never see it. Is it a regional item as well as era ?????? Over the years of show exploration, I can not remember a time, I held in my hands, such an item. They must be rare, tightfully collected, and just plan not there. I would love to see others examples of their collection, in a photo, with explanations and history. Occasionally, I come across an old catalog of such an item, as in Compton's catalogs; but not in the main stream of the shows, clubs, or collectors. Gary Wortham Quote
Ford Hallam Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Gary, baleen is, as you say, not at all common. My impression is also that it is a highly prized wrap found only on quite special koshirae. More often on Aikuchi but I know of at least 2 daisho thus wrapped, both in museums in Japan Baleen is composed of keratin, the same stuff as horn, claws and your nails. It's a fibrous protein. Turtle shells are composed of the same material and it was common practice to weld plates of shell together using boiling water and pressure so I imagine baleen can be bonded in a similar way. The baleen plates of whales can grow over 10 foot but I imagine shorter strips were joined together and then split off into ever finer strips until finally they could be drawn through a drawplate to produce a uniform thread. A bit like the way Japanese bamboo blinds (Sudare) are made. When the material is wet and warm it is very flexible. Naturally, with the moratorium on whaling the stuff is no longer readily available and I haven't seen a convincing synthetic substitute yet although I imagine it would be relatively to find a suitable nylon or other polymer that would behave and look the same. Here are some images of an Aikuchi I have that is in need of some baleen repair...on the saya too. 1 Quote
Bazza Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Gary, baleen is, as you say, not at all common. My impression is also that it is a highly prized wrap found only on quite special koshirae. More often on Aikuchi but I know of at least 2 daisho thus wrapped, both in museums in Japan Baleen is composed of keratin, the same stuff as horn, claws and your nails. It's a fibrous protein. Turtle shells are composed of the same material and it was common practice to weld plates of shell together using boiling water and pressure so I imagine baleen can be bonded in a similar way. The baleen plates of whales can grow over 10 foot but I imagine shorter strips were joined together and then split off into ever finer strips until finally they could be drawn through a drawplate to produce a uniform thread. A bit like the way Japanese bamboo blinds (Sudare) are made. When the material is wet and warm it is very flexible. Naturally, with the moratorium on whaling the stuff is no longer readily available and I haven't seen a convincing synthetic substitute yet although I imagine it would be relatively to find a suitable nylon or other polymer that would behave and look the same. Here are some images of an Aikuchi I have that is in need of some baleen repair...on the saya too. Dear Brethren, This is a lovely koshirae Ford. Meiji period??? I did a google search using keywords [ baleen buying ] and turned up this very interesting thread: http://www.city-data.com/forum/alaska/3 ... aleen.html So I guess baleen is available if one looks hard enough. I think I might have some pics somewhere of another koshirae - if I find it I'll put it up. Regards, Barry Thomas Quote
John A Stuart Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Guys, I can get baleen where I live occasionally, expensive though. From bowhead whales. John Quote
bridgeofdreams Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Thanks for those pictures, Ford, very interesting koshirae. There was a baleen-wrapped O-tanto for sale at the Tampa show some years ago, and a friend seriously considered buying it but the deal breaker was the repairs needed to the handle wrap, which was more in the typical style where small bundles of baleen were the "ito." As I recall it had been dyed a wonderful reddish color, but several of the "ito" were broken, and the difficulty of finding the material for the repair and someone able to make it made it a no-sale for my friend. I should have had a camera. Craig http://www.bridgeofdreams.com Quote
Ted Tenold Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 I suspect exportation of it would be a sensative, if not prohibited process though. I have seen several late Edo examples of baleen wrap and it is both beautiful and delicate. All of them were on top shelf koshirae with nice blades. I also have seen another example of a tsuka that was carved from solid horn to resemble baleen. I have an image of it somewhere and will post it if I can find it. The work it took to carve it was amazing. Quote
IanB Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 I thought I had added a post on this earlier this morning but it seems to have become lost in cyberspace. Following on from Ford's comment, here is a very elaborate daisho in Liverpool Museum with this type of wrap. I was however going to make the following point. I have seen a few aikuchi (/ aiguchi) with wraps of this type in a damaged condition. What remained of the wrapping material was incredibly brittle and showed a light buff coloured core with a shiny black exterior. I may be wrong, but I suspect that in some cases the material is not baleen at all, but a species of rattan or vine that has been split down to the right diameter and black lacquered before being used. As I say, I have no real evidence and it would need microscopic examination, but rattan or vine would readily give pieces of sufficient length and would be sufficiently flexible whilst fresh. Ian Bottomley Quote
GARY WORTHAM Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Posted August 20, 2009 Since this is a very interesting and elusive subject matter, I found a beautiful tanto by Moriiye, that was on the Ricecracker web site, for sale, http://www.ricecracker.com ; as an example for others, using the whale baleen on it''s tuska. It's condition is excellent, as well as the use of a multi color method of construction. You can access the old sale site by internet search, [ baleen Japanese swords ], and find Ricecracker link In addition. I found a site on the source, use, and identification of whale baleen in museum collections. [ aic.stanford.edu ] is it's address. or go to the internet, looking for, [ baleen Japanese swords ] to find these 2 subject sites as mentioned. Gary Wortham Quote
raaay Posted August 20, 2009 Report Posted August 20, 2009 Hi Ian Is the Daisho in liverpool Museum the one with the silver mounts covered in monkeys ? and do you know if it is back on display regards ray Quote
reinhard Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 I may be wrong, but I suspect that in some cases the material is not baleen at allIan Bottomley I guess Ian (and Ford) have very important points here. Baleen-wrappings, or what is held for it, look quite different occasionally and I've always wondered wether they are made from the same material or not. "Baleen"-wrappings seem to be a phenomenon dating from late Edo, early Meiji period and are not uncommon. I suspect true baleen wrapping to be quite popular for swords never meant to be used for frequent practice nor fighting but for representation in the first place. Leather, silk, uncovered ray-skin are much more resilient to permanent stress factors than "whale-bone". During late Edo-period true "baleen wrappings" were made for swords never meant to be used for a practical purpose. However during early Meiji period western demand for highly decorative features like "baleen-wrapping" increased and Japanese craftsmen eventually filled this gap with other materials than baleen. I add some examples for illustration without commenting their value. All of them ended up in Western shops finally. - BTW I saw some of the swords belonging to these mountings in hand and none of them was worth any further investigation. The whole thing is about koshirae and western taste. reinhard Quote
IanB Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 Ray, Yes, the daisho I was referring to is the monkey one. For those who have not seen it, all of the mounts are silver decorated in high relief with monkeys raiding persimmons. The quality is staggering - they have inlaid gold teeth and gold eyes with shakudo pupils. Just to top it all, the saya are lacquered to represent pine bark and you would be hard pushed to tell it wasn't. Ian Quote
Ford Hallam Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 One of the chaps on my forum, Karl, "der wunderkind" Wunderlich, noticed this discussion and sent me the following link; Link to article on Baleen with specific reference to it's use on Japanese sword mounts. This would appear to quite an extensive bit of research and seems to provide pretty much all we'd need to know. I reckon I might even try making some myself now...anyone got a dead whale for me? There are number of pages so use the navigation buttons at the button to move forward, or back. Quote
Lorenzo Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 I was looking today at Mishina's website; on the page referring to contemporary tsukamaki by Yasuo Toyama I see an example called "Fuji-maki" which seems to be baleen. Does somebody knows the kanji for "fujimaki" or the kanji to use for the baleen wrapping please? Any help is appreciated. I have done some random kanji choice and search but the closest thing I got as result is the wrapping of Japanese saws handles. Thank you 1 Quote
IanB Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 Lorenzo, Ah, this is what I suspected and mentioned in my post above. Fuji is of course wisteria which grows as a creeper over other trees. The tsuka you show is bound with material cut from the wisteria vine and presumably given a coating of lacquer to preserve it. What a beautiful job that binding is. Ian Bottomley 1 Quote
Lorenzo Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 Thank you Ian, I didn't see that part of text before... stupid me It now makes sense why I find tool wrappings using 藤まき. I would be interested in this case to know the baleen kanji as well please Quote
Guido Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 I would be interested in this case to know the baleen kanji as well please鯨髭巻 (くじらひげまき). And don't feel bad about not coming up with "Fujimaki", because it is not: it's not 藤 (wisteria) but 籐 (rattan), so it reads とうまき; the kanji look very similar, so it's easy to confuse them. Quote
Lorenzo Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 Wonderful Guido ... thank you so much Quote
___ Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 I know the last post on this topic was in 2009, but might anyone be able to recommend a substitute to this material? Because of it's legality and ethical reasons, it is not as desirable in the modern day. it looks really cool, but by chance might there be a plastic that one could use to achieve similar look? Quote
IanB Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 Darius, Rattan is readily available in craft shops in long lengths for the basket making fraternity. It is far too thick for tsuka maki, but it could be split. I suspect the original was finished by pulling through a draw-plate before giving it a coat of lacquer. Having said all that I should hate to try using it. I once did a jabara wrap, ordering the material from Japan and finding to my horror it came as two separate hanks that had to be sewn together before using. Then struggling with 4 or 5 lengths side by side - not easy. Ian Bottomley 2 Quote
DRDave Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 I know the last post on this topic was in 2009, but might anyone be able to recommend a substitute to this material? Because of it's legality and ethical reasons, it is not as desirable in the modern day. it looks really cool, but by chance might there be a plastic that one could use to achieve similar look? Baleen was once used as winding on bows for string instruments. The material used today is available in three colors. 1 Quote
TETSUGENDO Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 Dave, If this material is of a suitable length, appearance and dimension someone should certainly give it a go. -S- Quote
cuttingedge59 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Posted October 25, 2018 Hi All I know Hans Koga has Whale Baleen , I have seen it hanging on his wall in some of his FB posts . He has also mentioned it on FB. Cheers Chris NZ Quote
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