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I decided on putting this sword up for sale

do to financially issues This sword is by far the best and unique hada I have ever seen And in full polish I’m listing it at 4500

only because of the above mentioned 

You won’t find another like it in this mint condition  I like to keep parts original as possible Tsuka Kashera

Saya and Tsuba except the retaining strap that I replaced 

 

He was a smith in the Meiji era 1868 to 1912 that produced an almost Damascus type  of steel in his attempts to emulate the works of Ko Hoki and Etchu Norishige from the Kamakura era. Those works had a notable itame nagare o hada with pronounced chikei. Norishige’s hada is often referred to as “Matsukawa hada” as it resembled the bark of a pine tree. Ikkansai 

The hamon represents the best of this style by this smith And are very desirable 

 

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I’m in need of money so I’m lowering price to 3700 + 75.00 shipping 

 

I can’t say more that’s already been said This sword speaks for itself A beautiful old family sword 27 inch blade from the Kamakura era in full polish with a very unique hada 

 

 

Steve

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nice sword.  just to help others:  are you sure you mean Kamakura era?  Your original description says 1868-1912.  I have had swords by him and i agree he is copying earlier styles as your description mentions

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Again, just to help others, I believe  Ikkansai Yoshihiro was neither Kamakura period nor Meiji period. I believe he was first quarter 19thC C1800-1830 ish. His hada is indeed very spectacular!

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Hmmm that was in my description 

Woody who polished it said the smith used different metals with tamahagane to copy the works of a very famous smith 

 

Well it’s safe to say it was made by Ikkansai Yoshihiro in the EDO era 1800s who produced an almost Damascus type  of steel in his attempts to emulate the works of Ko Hoki andEtchu Norishige from the Kamakura era as quoted above 

As far as the material used by this smith as 

it’s made with real tamahagane steel, just a particular way it was done by this smith

 

 

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I think the confusion being

Etchu Norishige 1290-1366 who was a sword smith of the late Kamakura

IkkansaiYoshihiro was from the Edo period 1800s In attempts to emulate the works of KoHoki andEtchu Norishige 


So your correct he wasn’t from that period

thanks for bringing this up


 

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I was asked if I can sell my sword any cheaper

Sorry I cannot negotiate any further because 

a good polisher would charge 100.00 per inch = 2700 

It would be like buying the sword for 1000 which in my opinion is cheap enough 

 

 

Steve

 

 

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I was asked if I can sell my sword any cheaper

Sorry I cannot negotiate any further because 

a good polisher would charge 100.00 per inch = 2700 

It would be like buying the sword for 1000 which in my opinion is cheap enough 

 

 

Steve

 

That’s how it came originally

 If you want to have it papered or use other mounts and expensive shirasaya it’s up to you 

 

 

 

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I was asked if I can sell my sword any cheaper

Sorry I cannot negotiate any further because 

a good polisher would charge 100.00 per inch = 2700 

It would be like buying the sword for 1000 which in my opinion is cheap enough 

 

 

Steve

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So I'm lost how much is it, and what does it come in?

Stephen Probably best to show some more pictures I did not think it would be this confusing 

 

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I think my analogy is confusing 

I was trying to make a point because another ask if I could sell it cheaper than my asking price of 3700

I was trying to explain that a known polisher would charge 100 an inch 

My sword blade is about 27 inches which would cost 2700 So if you minus that from 3700 the sword alone would cost 1000 and can’t take any less 

I hope that explanation make more sense 

 

Steve

 

 

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I was asked if I can sell my sword any cheaper

Sorry I cannot negotiate any further because 

a good polisher would charge 100.00 per inch = 2700 

It would be like buying the sword for 1000 which in my opinion is cheap enough 


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 Please I don’t want a long thread about 

this sword Since it’s for sale  unless there’s positive information 
 
As far as putting it back in the saya !
I believe  It would have to have custom made mounts to fit 
Sending it to get papered would indeed tell who the smith is but again more money 
 
Woody Hall who polished my sword said it’s probably IkkansaiYoshihiro but it would need a higher authority to be certain 
 
I have taken the sword out the scabbard many times and haven’t seen any damage 
My knowledge of swords is limited so forgive me if I’m not accurate 
Lastly my Personal preference is to keep all the original parts 
 
I believe 3700 for an older sword with a unique and beautiful hada is a good price 
 
 
Steve 

 

 

 

 

 

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I hope you are able to sell this sword for what you want, however you can't always get the money spent on a polish back. 

 

Also, a sword's value depends also on what fittings come with it. If the fittings are not as desirable or it doesn't have a shirasaya, the sword will not be worth as much.

 

Because of market conditions, Japanese swords are selling for much less than the cost to produce them new.

 

I think others are trying to politely suggest these things to you.

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Well as I already pointed out a polish from a well known polisher would hav charged 

2700 and only getting 1000 for the sword before polish 

Not a problem I’m not destitute

I will just put it back on the rack

 

Many thanks to everyone 

 

 

steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just curious dose dose anyone know how to find fittings with a  nice shirasaya I can get for my sword or would it be best to leave it original as is

 

 

 

 

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How do I get a hold of him 

 

His last name is actually spelled Tschernega. Other from Google, type in his name on FaceBook, if you have it. I should also have his most recent E-mail if that fails. 

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On 6/19/2023 at 1:52 PM, Swords said:

Just curious dose dose anyone know how to find fittings with a  nice shirasaya I can get for my sword or would it be best to leave it original as is

 

Shirasaya are made specific to each blade, so you don't just find one.  Saya are very difficult to match as well for the same reason. You said fittings, if that is what you mean then you must be referring to a koshirae. Again, for proper fit these are made to fit the sword. It is rare to find one that "fits" your sword.

 

Bare bones, basic shirasaya will cost no less than $600-$800 when using a quality craftsman.  For a custom made koshirae the sky is the limit.

The correct order to do this is to have the shirasaya/koshirae made prior to polish.

 

My recommendation would be to get a shirasaya made for it, in order to properly house/store/protect the blade. Then plan on keeping it.

 

This is a common mistake with new collectors, investing more in a sword and restoration than the sword will ever be worth.  You have an unsigned(-), un-papered sword (-). Polished (+) but no shirasaya (-).  

 

 

 

 

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Swords Mentor

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Good information I will probably keep it unless I can At least get 3700 

And would only leave me 1000 for my sword

considering how much polish costs 

However it’s still a beautiful sword regardless of it’s mounts 

 

 

 I tried to email Tschernega but didn’t go through? If anyone has the full email name I will try and contact him

Thanks for your help Ed and others 

 

 

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I wanted to add to this thread

The sword probably has its original mounts 

and in good condition considering how old it is 

The blade it exhibits a beautiful unique hada in full polish The only thing I added is the leather strap which keeps the sword from coming out the saya

 

I reduced the price to 3700 + 75.00 shipping As I pointed out the polish alone would cost 2700 that leaves me 1000 for the sword itself 

I know I won’t get what I want but I believe it’s a good price !

 

I appreciate everyone’s feedback 

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

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