Wild Geese in the Clouds...

[Yves55]

Bought last friday on a flea market...

Is the wavy inside of the rim a feature of a specific school? 

7,29 x 7,01 x 0,63 cm seppa / 0,58 cm rim

88 grams - iron

Any comment is welcome 😉

 

[ROKUJURO]

Very nice find! Might be AKASAKA, but similar designs have also been used in HIGO

[Mark S.]

Very much like it. Well done.  

[Spartancrest]

Some similar designs, the second one described as Kyo-sukashi - https://www.tosoguya.com/kyo_sukashi_myoga_karigane_tsuba.html  but it has much thinner elements.

 

  Papered Akasaka - https://yakiba.com/akasaka-tadashige/

[FlorianB]

My first impression was later Akasaka, because of the design and the different sized hitsu-ana, but as said above Higo could also be a possibility. Here’s a similar Nishigaki of mine:

 

Are there any signs of sanmai awase on the outer rim or inner sides?

Florian

[Soshin]

20 hours ago, Yves55 said:

Is the wavy inside of the rim a feature of a specific school? 

 

@Yves55 not really clear what you are referring to in the above comment and the with the single photo vital details of the rim are not at all clear. With that said what I think you are referring to are visible layers in the iron of the rim. That is just one of few important kanei points for the Akasaka ( 赤坂) School circa middle to late Edo Period. I say your tsuba is likely the work of the Akasaka School but would need additional photos (clearly showing the details of the rim) or to see the tsuba in person and allowed to examine it under good lighting. I hope you find my comments helpful in your study. What a very nice find at a flea market!         

[Yves55]

Thank you all for the replies 😃

Some more photos following!

So, waiting for more comments 👍🏻 

 

[Yves55]

[Yves55]

6 hours ago, FlorianB said:

My first impression was later Akasaka, because of the design and the different sized hitsu-ana, but as said above Higo could also be a possibility. Here’s a similar Nishigaki of mine:

 

Are there any signs of sanmai awase on the outer rim or inner sides?

Florian

I posted some more photos.

BTW, your geese are flying in, mine are flying out... 🤣

[Yves55]

59 minutes ago, Soshin said:

 

@Yves55 not really clear what you are referring to in the above comment and the with the single photo vital details of the rim are not at all clear. With that said what I think you are referring to are visible layers in the iron of the rim. That is just one of few important kanei points for the Akasaka ( 赤坂) School circa middle to late Edo Period. I say your tsuba is likely the work of the Akasaka School but would need additional photos (clearly showing the details of the rim) or to see the tsuba in person and allowed to examine it under good lighting. I hope you find my comments helpful in your study. What a very nice find at a flea market!         

Just bought another tsuba with waves (?) at the inside of the rim. Same school or...?

[FlorianB]

Not sure about the rim (a little bit fuzzy), but in the inner structure there are some areas which look laminated.
So Akasaka seems possible.
 
Your second Tsuba shows pines, a branch (probably plum if I see the carved blossom correct) and two blossoms. The wavy hitsu-ana represent snow or snowflakes.

Same problem like above: Akasaka or Higo - more detailed pictures needed to  pin down the origin.
In my opinion it looks rather like Higo because of the sophisticated style.

 

But it should become obvious that "same design, same school" is a wrong conclusion. Alas it's more complicated...

 

Florian

[Yves55]

21 minutes ago, FlorianB said:

Not sure about the rim (a little bit fuzzy), but in the inner structure there are some areas which look laminated.
So Akasaka seems possible.
 
Your second Tsuba shows pines, a branch (probably plum if I see the carved blossom correct) and two blossoms. The wavy hitsu-ana represent snow or snowflakes.

Same problem like above: Akasaka or Higo - more detailed pictures needed to  pin down the origin.
In my opinion it looks rather like Higo because of the sophisticated style.

 

But it should become obvious that "same design, same school" is a wrong conclusion. Alas it's more complicated...

 

Florian

Thanks for your interesting comments.

Normally I'll have the second one on wednesday and start then a new discussion.

 

 

[ROKUJURO]

Second TSUBA looks more like NISHIGAKI to me. Seems you have very nice fleemarkets in Belgium!

[FlorianB]

Theses are areas seeming laminated I refered to:

 

 

Florian

[Soshin]

23 hours ago, Yves55 said:

Just bought another tsuba with waves (?) at the inside of the rim. Same school or...?

 

From the additional images I am still standing by the call of Akasaka School. Everything looks consistent for that school's work in terms of the plate construction, distribution of the plate metal, and thickness and shape/style of rim. This other tsuba is a nice later Akasaka School copy of an original Higo openwork design which was very popular by the time the Akasaka School was making its copies in Edo. Still, what a great find at a flea market. Keep up your excellent work and enjoy this hobby.      

[Yves55]

The second tsuba arrived (with 2 others).

See new topic "Plum and Pine Sukashi"... 😃