Need Help with Wakizashi Identification

[k morita]

P/S It is a photo of Sayagaki which reinhard did up load.

[John A Stuart]

Hi Kiyoshi sama, Do you mean 板倉勝弼 Itakura Katsusuke? The last daimyo of Bitchu Matsuyama. John

[k morita]

Oh Yes.

 

[outlier48]

Morita-san,

 

No, I was not aware of this. Thank you for pointing it out. In the translation of the sayagaki you previously posted I was unable to "connect the dots" and figure this out. Many thanks

The areas of exploration have grown even greater as a result of this information.

 

Charlie Brashear

[k morita]

Charlie,

I saw this thread for the first time at last night.

I can read this Sosho Sayagaki that Mr,Moriyama(Nobody) were not able to read partially at (XXXXXXXXX) .

It is two parson's names (artname).

 

P/S " Itakura Katsusuke" is not relatd this sayagaki and sword.

I woud saying is former owner of this sword that writing name on the sayagaki.

 

Moriyama san,

 

On your translated of Sayagaki, may I add a little my translation?

(XXXXX)の所です。

[outlier48]

Morita-san,

 

Thank you very much for your input. I would truly appreciate any additional translation for the (xxxxx) part(s) of the Sosho Sayagaki. If I understand correctly, Itakura Katsusuke is identified only by reference in the sayagaki as the late lord of Matsuyama. I have discovered much about this sword with the generous help of the members of this board, including you. I am grateful for all of the assistance I have received.

 

Many thanks,

 

Charlie Brashear

[Nobody]

Moriyama san,

 

On your translated of Sayagaki, may I add a little my translation?

(XXXXX)の所です。

Yes please. I also like to know XX part after Matsuyama.

[estcrh]

Hi Charlie,

Here's a quick, easy, and totally reversible method to temporarily fix the saya. You will need masking tape and white paper. Cut a strip of paper about a half inch wider than the tape and long enough to go around the saya about 1 1/2 times. Wrap the paper around the saya below where you want it to be, and tightly wrap the paper with the tape. Now push the tape/paper up towards the top of the saya (koi-guchi). Since the diameter of a saya increases as you approach the koi-guchi, as you push the paper up it will tighten. You might have to try a time or 3 before you get it right and maybe you'll want a 2nd paper/tape below the top one, but once in place the saya will be as tight as when new. What's more, since the tape isn't touching the saya no damage will be done; the paper can be slid back down when necessary and it won't leave a mark.

I do this to shira-saya whenever I ship a sword, whether the saya's split or not, just as insurance against a split developing due to a bump in transit.

You can do a permanent fix of the saya with rice glue if you know how, but this is probably best left to someone with experience fixing sayas. Whatever you do, do not use any other type of glue.

Grey

Grey, I have a similar problem, why no other glue and any idea were one can purchase rice glue, thanks

[John A Stuart]

Eric, you can make your own. Overcooked glutious rice, mashed to a paste. John

[k morita]

Thank you very much ,Moriyama san.

鞘書が本物だとすれば脇差は、明治大正のあの有名な政界のフィクサー、国粋主義指導者、

また、当時の刀剣界にも影響を及ぼした杉山茂丸　旧蔵の刀と云うことになりますね。

彼の事績を記した英文のリンクが無いので日本語のウィキ　をリンクしました。

私は長文が苦手なのでよろしく彼らにご説明お願いいたします。

 

 

Charlie,

Correct readig and meaning as follows.

However, I don't know the Sayagaki is genuine or not.(Sorry ,Charlie)

 

 

A. 杉山其日庵主人遺愛, (Sugiyama Sonohian, shujin, iai ).

 

B.　(The sword) cherished by Sugiyama Sonohian.

 

Real name of 杉山其日庵 (Sugiyama Sonohian) is Sugiyama Shigemaru (杉山 茂丸,1864- July,1935).

(In Japanese) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%89% ... 2%E4%B8%B8

 

C. 阿弥屋惣右記之,(Amiya Shou, kore o shirusu.)

 

D. Wrote by Amiya Shou.

 

Real name of Amiya Shou (阿弥屋 惣右)　is Amiya Souemon　(阿弥屋 惣右衛門).

Maybe connoisseur of swords etc,.　

[estcrh]

Eric, you can make your own. Overcooked glutious rice, mashed to a paste. John

Ah...very interesting Any idea why no other glue should be used?

[John A Stuart]

That should be glutinous, missed the 'n'. Rice glue is easy to break apart for cleaning the shirasaya in the future. John

[sanjuro]

Also other glues may contain chemical compounds and moisture retention properties that cause rusting. Even water based glues have some real nasty stuff in them. Rice glue once dry is completely neutral.

 

Sorry John.... Just an addition to your excellent suggestion and explanation

[estcrh]

Also other glues may contain chemical compounds and moisture retention properties that cause rusting. Even water based glues have some real nasty stuff in them. Rice glue once dry is completely neutral.

 

Sorry John.... Just an addition to your excellent suggestion and explanation

Thanks both...very good thoughts..I guess I will have to break out the old rice cooker..I have wondered what kind of glue was used way back..I recently took apart the lid of an old armor storage box which needs to be repaired and I found an unusual glue built up in the corners with paper over it helping to hold the lid together, sounds like the same stuff.

[Nobody]

Thank you very much ,Moriyama san.

鞘書が本物だとすれば脇差は、明治大正のあの有名な政界のフィクサー、国粋主義指導者、

また、当時の刀剣界にも影響を及ぼした杉山茂丸　旧蔵の刀と云うことになりますね。

彼の事績を記した英文のリンクが無いので日本語のウィキ　をリンクしました。

私は長文が苦手なのでよろしく彼らにご説明お願いいたします。

Morita san says the following short comment in Japanese and shows us a wikipedia link on Sugiyama Shigemaru. There is a lot of information about the famous person. But it is too much also for me to summarize into English.

“If the sayagaki is genuine, the sword was owned by Sugiyama Shigemaru, who was a famous fixer and a nationalist during Meiji to early Showa era. He also influenced nihonto community at that time.”

[k morita]

Thank you so much, Moriyama san.

 

I'm a menber of NBTHK.

Are you?

[Nobody]

Thank you so much, Moriyama san.

 

I'm a menber of NBTHK.

Are you?

Yes, my number is 25380027.

[k morita]

Hi Moriyama san,

 

Oh, We are "persons with the same hobby" 同好の士.

I am a member of NBTHK over 30 years.

[outlier48]

Morita-san and Moriyama-san,

 

I am even further in your debt. I am truly grateful for all the information you have provided.

 

I am considering submitting the sword and/or shirasaya to shinsa in August in San Francisco. Is this a reasonable way to determine if the sayagaki is genuine or not?

 

Again, many thanks! I hope others have benefited from your expertise once again.

 

 

Charlie Brashear

[k morita]

Charlie,

 

Here is a link of Amiya Shou's Hakogaki on Tsuba box.

The hakogaki wrote by him in 1949.

 

http://www.tsuruginoya.com/mn1_3/f00121.html

[outlier48]

Morita-san and Moriyama-san,

 

Thank you again! I will work on getting the information on the Japanese link translated into English and then summarized to highlight the key points. I will post them in the (hopefully) near future for the benefit of the other members of the board who have been following this post. Of course, all the credit is yours!

 

Sincerely,

 

Charlie Brashear

[k morita]

Hi , Charlie

 

Please read the discription of this link (photo) ,

the discription about Amiya Hakogaki,Mr, M.Yamasaki's posting.

download/file.php?id=17336

 

The posting of [mild chicago show report] by Mr.Yamasaki.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7487

[outlier48]

Morita-san - Thank you for the links.

 

Mr. Yamasaki is based in the Los Angeles area. I will try to meet with him to discuss the wakizashi and its historical owner. BTW, was Sugiyama Shigemaru the man who founded the Tsukiji Token Kai?

 

Regards,

 

Charlie Brashear

[k morita]

Hi, Charlie

I was looking for material of Amiya Shouemon.

Amiya was famous swords merchant who had followed from generation to generation in Tokyo since Edo period.

Amiya was shop name.

The fact that newly turns out, "Amiya Shou" equal "Ammiya Shouemom" equal "Ogura Shouemon".

Ogura was his sure-name. Attached photo is Mr.Amiya Shouemon (Mr.Ogura Shouemon).

 

Founder of The Tsukiji-Token-Kai was Amiya Shouemn in 1911.

Sugiyama Shigemaru was an adviser of the meeting.

[k morita]

Hi, Charlie

New info,

Do you owning the English book [Modern Japanese swords and swordsmiths: from 1868 to the present] by Leon Kapp,Hiroko Kapp,Yoshindo Yoshihara.?

A photo of Ogura Soemon,Albert Nakayama, Honami Kosonon appears together on page 86 on this book.

Ogura(Amiya) Soemon is left of Albert Nakayama.