GoldenDrachen Posted February 22, 2023 Report Posted February 22, 2023 Hello everyone I have these two tsubas, they came with the swords ( those will post in different section later) I would like to learn more about motifs on both of them. So far I understand that first one features cross and geese ( right?) And the second one is tomoe. This is it. I will appreciate any input Regards Vitaly Quote
Spartancrest Posted February 22, 2023 Report Posted February 22, 2023 Hi Vitaly. The first image shows mitsudomoe (三つ巴) Three comma shapes with a "worm eaten" rim I think the term is "mushikui". The Tomoe and its variations are often used as a family Mon. I can't be sure of the waves? on the Ji /hira [plate] some parts at the top look like the sukashi [tomoe] were cut in later? Difficult to tell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe Don't click on the Mitsudomoe (manga) link it is comic book stuff.[no offence] Yes, you are correct with the second image having Karigane [geese]. I like the size and shape differences in the hitsu-ana - one with a similar difference in an old thread https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/33523-tsuba-motifs/ [far right image] but the angles and the way the kogai hitsu bulges out is very unusual on yours. Dan was researching something similar on this thread. https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/43702-help-with-tsuba-school/ Quote
GoldenDrachen Posted February 22, 2023 Author Report Posted February 22, 2023 Thank you! Sounds very interesting. Especially when you mentioned wormholes. Is there...of course it is some meaning behind it? Can you tell me more? Quote
Spartancrest Posted February 23, 2023 Report Posted February 23, 2023 As to the meaning of the 'worm eaten' look I can't find much by way of references - plenty of other examples some are still current auctions. Just as a guess there might be a 'Wabi-sabi' meaning for the "mushikui"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi You can check out this "wormy" faced one - http://world.seiyudo.com/product/tu-020514/ talk about a can of worms, it is not to my taste. https://www.ebay.com/itm/165655277726 https://www.ebay.com/itm/144908123164 http://nihonto.us/KO KINKO SHINCHU TSUBA.htm This one may be by Nobuie from an old NMB post 1 1 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 Vitaly, interesting TSUBA (no plural "s" added!). The first one appears to be cast, and also could have been damaged by fire. An expert should see this in hand - I could be wrong as I only have a photo to look at. The second TSUBA reminds me of OWARI design, but the rim tells another story. It might be a later one with a style mix. This one also should be looked at by an expert to verify a traditional manufacturing process. Quote
GoldenDrachen Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Posted February 25, 2023 8 hours ago, ROKUJURO said: Vitaly, interesting TSUBA (no plural "s" added!). The first one appears to be cast, and also could have been damaged by fire. An expert should see this in hand - I could be wrong as I only have a photo to look at. The second TSUBA reminds me of OWARI design, but the rim tells another story. It might be a later one with a style mix. This one also should be looked at by an expert to verify a traditional manufacturing process. Hi Jean! Thank you! Only one problem: I don't think there are such experts in Ireland. But maybe be I am wrong, and then I will be extremely excited to meet one. So far I can rely only on forums.... 1 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 Brian will know who to contact in Ireland. And then there is the The Token Society of Great Britain (https://to-ken.uk) who would surely help. For collectors it is important to have good contacts so they might be able to see good items in hand for learning. 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Vitaly you might like to contact - Kyle Shuttleworth Ph.D. Token Society of Ireland, Oita Branch NBTHK kyushukairu 1 1 Quote
GoldenDrachen Posted February 28, 2023 Author Report Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Spartancrest said: Vitaly you might like to contact - Kyle Shuttleworth Ph.D. Token Society of Ireland, Oita Branch NBTHK kyushukairu Thank you! I will. Quote
kyushukairu Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Thank you for the referral Dale. Unfortunately, I’m now permanently located in Japan, otherwise I would be more than happy to meet and discuss any tosogu (or swords). Vitaly, you should visit our facebook page https://www.facebook.com/tokensocietyireland and speak with Peter McCafftery (located in Belfast) who will reply if you send a message to the page. 1 1 Quote
FlorianB Posted March 1, 2023 Report Posted March 1, 2023 Concerning the second one in question I found a similar one here: https://soryu.pl/collections/tsuba/products/kanayama-tsuba-with-nbthk-hozon-tosogu-cross-and-wild-geese BTW the term "cross" is not necessarily connected with a christian cross. Florian Quote
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