jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Posted January 31, 2023 Bought this edo period waki in koshirae for 880. Its mumei, and id like to see what school or smith it is attributed to. Is around 20 inches in length. Quote
Mark S. Posted January 31, 2023 Report Posted January 31, 2023 I know everyone would love to do their best… but unfortunately, it will be difficult to give you any type of attribution by the pics provided. Very difficult to see hamon, activity in steel, hamon shape in boshi, file marks on nakago, etc. All of these are important for any type of attribution. Edo period is an acceptable first call, but that is a wide attribution. More pics showing as much detail as possible and I recommend you switch to a solid background. The picture of the blade underneath is a bit distracting. Take a look at some of the other posts showing pictures that highlight activity. It is NOT easy to take good pictures of blades, so don’t be discouraged. Try different lighting and at different angles. I find a single light sources in a dark room sometimes helps. Best of luck! Quote
jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Mark S. said: I know everyone would love to do their best… but unfortunately, it will be difficult to give you any type of attribution by the pics provided. Very difficult to see hamon, activity in steel, hamon shape in boshi, file marks on nakago, etc. All of these are important for any type of attribution. Edo period is an acceptable first call, but that is a wide attribution. More pics showing as much detail as possible and I recommend you switch to a solid background. The picture of the blade underneath is a bit distracting. Take a look at some of the other posts showing pictures that highlight activity. It is NOT easy to take good pictures of blades, so don’t be discouraged. Try different lighting and at different angles. I find a single light sources in a dark room sometimes helps. Best of luck! ill try to get better pics, Thanks! Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 31, 2023 Report Posted January 31, 2023 JMB (please give us your first name so we can address you politely), What Mark said plus: Please show all blade pictures tip-upwards! What little can be said about the SAYA: It looks like a HANDACHI SAYA. You mention an attribution; did you get one together with the blade? Quote
jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Posted January 31, 2023 Nope, no attribution. Seller estimated 1650s for when the blade was made. Camera on my phone is a little meh, my bad for photo quality issues Quote
jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Posted January 31, 2023 also you can call me Jonathan Quote
jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Posted January 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, ROKUJURO said: JMB (please give us your first name so we can address you politely), What Mark said plus: Please show all blade pictures tip-upwards! What little can be said about the SAYA: It looks like a HANDACHI SAYA. You mention an attribution; did you get one together with the blade? Friend of mine who studies yamato school swords in Japan estimated that it may either be kashu or kongobyoe Quote
Okan Posted January 31, 2023 Report Posted January 31, 2023 Hey Jonathan, Can you measure the area on the picture. Also, in real life is color of the nakago looks more black-ish than the pictures? Quote
jdawg221 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Posted January 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Okan said: Hey Jonathan, Can you measure the area on the picture. Also, in real life is color of the nakago looks more black-ish than the pictures? Sure! One second, Ill need to remove the tsuka Quote
Okan Posted January 31, 2023 Report Posted January 31, 2023 While you are at it, can you also measure the blade from that "red" line to the tip of blade Quote
ROKUJURO Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Jonathan, thank you! These photos are a little bit better so we can guess what the HAMON is like But do you know what HADA is? It is not visible in these photos which might be a problem of the camera or of the state of polish. Knowing the HADA can be helpfull in assessing the blade to a period or school. The KOSHIRAE is indeed HANDACHI style, but I don't think the blade is KONGOBYOE or KAGA/KASHÛ. To me it looks like an EDO period blade. Quote
Okan Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Looking at the sori, I have a feeling this will turn out as a Shinshinto(19th century) made in Koto(pre 16th century) style.. Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 nagasa is around 21 inches. distance at munemachi is aroun 1 3/32 inches Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 also the rust on it is a very dark brown almost black Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 Hopefully these pics catch the hada better Quote
Okan Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Ok it’s not shinshinto and most probably koto. Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 55 minutes ago, Okan said: Ok it’s not shinshinto and most probably koto. Cool! Any estimation of what era it may be? Muromachi probably? Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 https://photos.app.goo.gl/f34sJreAgUn93oca8 heres a photo album with more pics on it Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 Friend changed his guess to tensho era, maybe earlier. Also said it might be a kaga blade Quote
NewB Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Hello Tensho was my gut check but I'm in the beginning of my studies so don't quote me on it. If it's pretty thick and without any flaws that warrant an expensive restoration And if you didn't spend much And if you truly want to know - April Shinsa in Chicago is coming pretty fast. I'm sure many would be willing to submit it if you want an expert's answer. Then you'll have a papered blade. Not bad overall Cheers J. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Jonathan, KAGA NAKAGO look indeed typically like this: but I think your blade is not that old. My impression is mid EDO, but that is all guesswork on the basis of photos. You need to show your blade to experts 'in hand', so John's proposal (Chicago) sounds like a good one. 1 Quote
Okan Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 6 hours ago, jdawg221 said: Friend changed his guess to tensho era, maybe earlier. Also said it might be a kaga blade Finding era is much harder than finding its period unless there is a huge marker..Like, Kanbun era swords are usually a bit straight..So if the period matches and the blade is straight there is a huge chance the sword was made in Kanbun era, which is what we call Kanbun Shinto. I wonder how your friend came up with Tensho era..Maybe he meant late Muromachi period.. Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 Thanks! I'll have to see if I can make it to that. He also mentioned it might be late muromachi. Here's the pics I added to that album. Understand it's super difficult to tell based off pics, but the infor you guys are giving me is greatly appreciated Quote
Okan Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 These pics are really not very good Jonathan. To show the hada you have to go closer..You can also use a magnifier if you have reached the limits of your phone/camera..Don't hold the blade and try to take picture with your other hand Result will always be fuzzy.. Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Okan said: These pics are really not very good Jonathan. To show the hada you have to go closer..You can also use a magnifier if you have reached the limits of your phone/camera..Don't hold the blade and try to take picture with your other hand Result will always be fuzzy.. Sorry about that! These should be a bit better. I dont have a flashlight in my apartment atm, so i had to use my lamp lol. If these arent good enough ill just get a flashlight and take proper pics Quote
jdawg221 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Posted February 1, 2023 hada looks like itame or mokume to me Quote
Okan Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Pics are definitely better but not there yet Some pictures I see straight lines so looks more like Masame hada to me.. Quote
NewB Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 👋 I'd like to offer a totally out of the blue guess based on few things I noticed in the OP's recent photographs. Owari Shinto Cheers J. Quote
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