Scary Tsuba

[Spartancrest]

Piers should we be scared of the Hannya mask on that tsuba - or the patchy patina? 

[Bugyotsuji]

  On 1/17/2023 at 4:12 AM, Spartancrest said:

Piers should we be scared of the Hannya mask on that tsuba - or the patchy patina? 

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Just a message to Chris （Vajo）re his tsuba on the previous page! 

 

Oh, and yes, if you read the legend of the Momiji-gari kabuki play, you should be scared! 

[Franco]

  On 1/17/2023 at 1:22 AM, Dan tsuba said:

It is only a tsuba with a snake motif!

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To a samurai that lived with the reality that any given day might be his last, even the simple things like a tsuba was something meaningful and a reminder to appreciate the moment. Your indifference here is blaring to say the least.

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[Okan]

  On 1/17/2023 at 6:01 AM, Franco D said:

 

 

To a samurai that lived with the reality that any given day might be his last, even the simple things like a tsuba was something meaningful and a reminder to appreciate the moment. Your indifference here is blaring to say the least.

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An old book I read depicted Tsuba as " Samurai's only jewellery that he could show" 

[Grevedk]

  On 3/14/2016 at 9:15 PM, Ron STL said:

Here is an interesting snake motif tsuba with a difficult to read (very difficult for me!) that I thought would be interesting to discuss. The tsuba, which appears to be brass, is beautifully carved and a rather exciting motif. The owner said he had noted: Ichi Ryu Ken shu jin Kizasmu and  also, Hagiya Katsuhira Seiriken, in his records. He has been away from tosogu for many years, so I'm not sure how accurate any of this is. Comparing this tsuba with a similar tsuba in Dr. T's Toso Soran (which appears to be the work of the Master tsubako), the book example looks more "flowing" in form that the one in hand. While this tsuba appeals to me, it is of the type of kinko I've never had much experience in. Can anyone identify the maker and/or care to comment on it, good or bad?

Ron STL

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An old tread with some interesting snakes as well as information on their creators.
 

Shows again the depth and value of this NMB forum. By just reading some of the post’s here I constantly find my self enriched with new knowledge. Knowledge I didn’t even know I needed in the first place 😂👍

 

/Soren

[Soshin]

Thanks for showing everyone some remarkably interesting tsuba. I have no scary snake tsuba, but I do have these nice large snake menuki that are a work of the Mito School. Enjoy...  

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Mustn't forget that you only need to walk through a Japanese House of Horrors to discover that what is scary to Westerners and scary to the Japanese, are not 100% the same.

 

There is for example a common subliminal fear of dolls here, (like some in the West fear clowns?), and many everyday objects need to be collected up and sent off to a temple for 'purifiication' from tatari or the wrath of angry spirits.

[Dave R]

  On 1/18/2023 at 4:42 AM, Bugyotsuji said:

Mustn't forget that you only need to walk through a Japanese House of Horrors to discover that what is scary to Westerners and scary to the Japanese, are not 100% the same.

 

There is for example a common subliminal fear of dolls here, (like some in the West fear clowns?), and many everyday objects need to be collected up and sent off to a temple for 'purifiication' from tatari or the wrath of angry spirits.

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 Fear of Dolls! Not just for the Japanese, I got this one some years ago and put him on display every so often. More than once I have been asked to turn him away from people because he makes them uncomfortable.

[Bugyotsuji]

He’s great, Dave! 
 

Here is the edge of a Tsuba. Maybe not scary for us, but to scare off evil influences…(?)

 

[Spartancrest]

I have no idea what this guy is selling - - but I don't want any! 

 

I do think his tsuba is not as good as this one 

 

  No still not buying it!!

Edited January 18, 2023 by Spartancrest
being silly

[Steves87]

That looks like Paul Southren from SBG

[Okan]

  On 1/18/2023 at 11:26 AM, Bugyotsuji said:

He’s great, Dave! 
 

Here is the edge of a Tsuba. Maybe not scary for us, but to scare off evil influences…(?)

 

 

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Nan-BOOOOO!!!!! from the Netherlands!

 

 

[rematron]

This one is scary for how bad it is. 
 

 

[rematron]

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[Spartancrest]

Jeremy I recognise one of those tsuba images -

 

Japanese HUMOR.
by
C. NETTO  &  G. WAGENER.
Published 1901

"Even the Kappa dances with the 'Nirame kura' in its swamp with an old, half-rotten tree trunk, for which a plant leaf has replaced the sticking out tongue." (Fig. 184)

[ This book deals specifically with Japanese humor, some of the illustrations shown are humorous themes for designs used on tsuba.]

That fake tsuba is totally gross - and in a German "Gross" [Big] way!

 

[Spartancrest]

Now the Kappa can be very scary - [keep your sphincters well and truly tight!] 

 

Tsukioka Yoshitoshi, 'The heavy basket (Omoi tsuzura)' from the series 'New forms of thirty-six ghosts (Shingata sanjūrokkaisen)' (1892)

THE WATER-DWELLING, ORGAN-STEALING KAPPA

Oh look, here's the Look Over Monk — the one with the third eye. Now draw your gaze to the green, frog-like creature that appears to be lurking in a basket. That's a kappa. Kawakami says, the kappa appear in different forms and with different names like kawataro. If you bank in Japan, you may recognise the cheeky fella as the mascot of one of the country's leading banks. But don't be deceived, these water-dwelling yōkai have a sadistic story. It's said they reach inside human bodies through the rectum to snatch at your organs. 

[rematron]

I had googled ‘kappa tsuba’ because a little tanto tsuba I bought from Jimi-san has the same kappa/oni on it from the two above with the snakey arms and legs. I’m trying to figure out what kind of monster it is. I don’t think it’s a kappa because of the horns. 
 

 

[rematron]

Yeah I’ve seen some very disturbing kappa images. They’re pretty nasty creatures. 

[Matsunoki]

Surely the elephant above and the one immediately below it are Chinese fakes?

[Spartancrest]

  On 2/4/2023 at 8:28 AM, Matsunoki said:

Surely the elephant above and the one immediately below it are Chinese fakes?

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They sure are - and not very good ones either.

[rematron]

After some more research into the above ‘monster’ that also happens to be portrayed on my recently acquired tsuba, I’m adding images and a caption from my trusty copy of ‘Legend in Japanese Art’ where Henri Joly identifies this as a rendition of a ‘dog of Mitsumine’ shrine. The Mitsumine shrine is actually affiliated with wolves (okami) as its protector kami. I can see it now with the shape of the legs. The fact that it’s portrayed as bipedal helped to throw me off the scent as to what it was. And then there’s the horns or maedate which I guess can be a symbol of divinity in this case? This is all assuming that Henri Joly’s assertion is correct. I’m definitely interested in further insight from members more knowledgeable than myself.

 

[Spartancrest]

Jeremy - reminds me of "George" from EVIL  

[Steves87]

There is a guard in Grev's Birmingham I believe is also related to these devil guards

[MauroP]

The tsuba above (and possibly the previous ones) depicts  Tsuno Daishi - 角大師 (Horned Great Master), a manifestation of Ryōgen, the 18th chief abbot of Enryaku-ji in the 10th century. He is considered a restorer of the Tendai school of Mahayana Buddhism.

[vajo]

 

[rematron]

Excellent! Thank you very much for the information Mauro and Chris. Joly’s interpretation didn’t sit right with me but I hit a dead end with the research. 

[Bazza]

You good Ffolke want scary, try this:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/trypophobia-why-did-doja-cat-s-dress-make-people-physically-ill/ss-AA178gbk?cvid=ddfafde85b7747fca1b1824bbb22b207

 

BaZZa.

(Apology for wildcat post, but I thought it 'sort of' fitted the scary theme!!)

[Spartancrest]

When did Small pox become a fashion statement! No wonder people were put off by the bloody silly look of Doja Cat [bloody silly name as well!]

This kid didn't have to pay thousands of dollars for a dress up. 

Perhaps the fashionista got confused with fashion-blister?                  

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[Brian]

Dale, I edited and put that pic in a spoiler box. It literally gives me anxiety. Ugh.
Folks...disturbing pic of kid with smallpox warning. I am not into trigger warnings, but this one needs it.