WW2 Japanese Army Sword (Noshu Taniguchi)

[Swords]

I know this Swords been posting before but 

I raise these question because I get different answers Our all sword traditional 

Swords use  tamahagane  or dose It have to be star stamped? 

 I hear that a sword should be judged by its own merit!  having been 5th seat dose it make it a higher grade because of the after polish hamon or dose make any difference 

 

I know I need to read more books Just bought a book of The Craft of the Japanese Sword will buy more When I figure out which ones 

[vajo]

For me a showa-to. Oil hardnend and etched.

[Swords]

No It’s Gendaito! Also oil quench wouldn’t look like this hamon !!

I think you should some read books

The one I listed has good information 

[David Flynn]

Steve, your comment to Vajo, is like the pot calling the kettle black.     I also vote for Showato.

[John C]

Steve:

Tamahagane steel was issued sparingly to RJT smiths only. But the military wanted to differentiate traditionally made swords using tamahagane steel so they developed the star stamp. Some blades, however, are not fully traditionally made. For example, they may be hand forged yet oil quenched (which is safer for the blade). Early RJT blades may be traditionally made, yet not have the star stamp because the stamp program was implemented later. This is why studying the blade characteristics is far more important than the stamps. 

By the way, Vajo is a very respected member of this community and that respect is well deserved.

 

John C.

[NewB]

Just my observation,

 

Lately I see lots of disrespect and animosity towards folks that have done nothing but technically answer the question asked.. and personally I've had moments that I didn't like the answers I received but considering the knowledgeable folks that have taken the time to answer I've become considerably more humbled rather than more aggressive. 

 

To each their own. Plus it's none of my business.. however - respect right?

 

Let's keep it tidy. 

 

On the other hand:

 

Steve, what was your motivation to have this blade in fresh polish ?

 

J.

[PNSSHOGUN]

The Hamon does have the telltale signs of oil hardening but there is distinct Hada and other activity visible. It is more likely to be a partially forged sword but perhaps quenched in oil rather than water. Definitely a tricky one to pin down.

[Okan]

5 hours ago, Swords said:

No It’s Gendaito! Also oil quench wouldn’t look like this hamon !!

I think you should some read books

The one I listed has good information 

 

Steve, 

 

Someone who has 1000 times more experience and knowledge than you sharing his opinion and this is your answer? If your answer was " Thank you for your reply but what make you think it's a Showato?" then you would be able to learn something! But you don't want to learn anything..You are simply narrow-minded!..

Don't get me wrong, I really don't care about your questions as they are waste of time to answer but I won't stay silent when you disrespect others...

 

[Swords]

My apologies to vajo I was thinking Arsenal 

when you said Oil quench if that’s the case is it folded the same as water using oil instead? And what is partially forged 

To answer the question why I had it polished Was because Woody thought it was good enough and the price was right!

I had posted this Sword before and got positives from others 

 

 

 

[John C]

2 minutes ago, Swords said:

And what is partially forged 

Steve:

Some blades were both machine made and finished by hand (hence only partially forged). With the pressure to produce enough swords for the war effort, oil quenching is safer and results in fewer cracked blades. I suspect it is also a faster way to produce swords, however I would not know for sure. 

John C.

[Swords]

You’re so right Dacron I meant no disrespect and do appreciate any help

But I don’t like Being called narrominded as Okan so adamantly pointed out!! I reacted not  having the facts my fault ! I resent the name calling I think your comments are a waste of time!!  If you don’t have anything good to say keep on moving my friend! Don’t reply to any of my post!!  I don’t need your sarcasm!!

[Bruce Pennington]

Back to the blade.... Guys are saying this, but let me try to paraphrase it all - A WWII smith could have made a blade using any steel, and there were several kinds other than tamahagane.  Using this 'other' steel, he could have hammered and folded 13 times.  Then, using clay, he made a fabulous hamon pattern.  Like Jean pointed out on another thread, he finishes the blade with an oil quench to safely harden the edge.  It would come out looking like the blade in this post.  Quite beautiful, but made of steel other than tamahagane and it was oil quenched.  The tell-tale sign, and I agree with Chris, is if you zoom in on the hamon, you see dark areas just inside the peaks of the hamon.  This is one of the key signs to look for when trying to differentiate between gendaito and showato.  To me, it is silly to look down upon showato.  There are many fabulous blades made with great care, and quite beautiful, that were oil quenched.  But in Nihonto-World, this will always be the case.  Fortunately for me, I live outside Nihonto-World.  Not a snub on Nihonto guys, just an observation and opinion.  No offense intended to anyone!

[David Flynn]

Steve, it appears you are suffering from ignorance, topped with arrogance.    Why not ask Woody if it's a Showato?

[Swords]

Thanks for the Tip would been been easier then all the name calling ! Why hell I might as well join in!

 

Flynn you’ve been riding me !! I may not be as experienced or have a gold tier but that doesn’t mean I act like a jerk but if the shoe fits! As for the others who spent time giving me good advice I do appreciate it more than you know As far as the other name callers you can go f your self along with your Netherland boy friend 

 

 

I thought the forum was supposed to be for discussion not bashing people I’ll probably get kicked out of the forum now but I don’t need insults from anyone who thinks there above any one else My day fought the Nazis my father in law the Japanese I’m a Vietnam Veteran and proud to be an American so I don’t need any sh— from the likes of you mate

Gday

[NewB]

@Brian?

 

 

That's enough!

 

Steve if you are angry that you spent over $2500 for a polish of a blade that won't return your investment eventually I just don't see how do we have any fault in case YOU made an uneducated decision. 

 

Also I'm not here to criticize or offend you but you dont know how to spell and you suggest that honest and supporting the forum members read more books???! Come on. Let's be honest..

 

P.S. we have many that come and visit the site - let's have our standards upheld IMHO!

 

 

J.

[Brian]

A lot of the questions being asked are answered in the FAQ that is prominent at the top of the forum. Including the various types of wartime manufacture.
This one clearly has a nice hada and an interesting hamon. There is no doubt it is forged and folded. I agree that there are some signs of oil hardening, which would make it a hybrid, using either tamahagane or a mixture of steels. I don't think this one is fully Gendaito, but also not an average arsenal or Showato.
The polish looks good on it, it's not a financially sensible choice to spend that money on it, but certainly rewarding in terms of appearance afterwards.

As for the attitudes and rudeness all round, I'll be addressing this shortly as it is getting out of hand.