Marius Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 I may be wrong but I see o-choji and hitatsura, which, to my amateur eyes, looks rather awkward. What do you think of this sword? Might this be an interesting sword for a newbie? I am pretty sure that there are some bidders lurking and waiting to put in their last-minute bids as such a hamon is invariably attractive to beginner-collectors... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0423766428 Quote
Gunome Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Hello, I would said muneyaki instead of hitatsura. Looks like shinto blade. I don't know this smith, so can't confirme you if the mei is reliable. There is a kizu on monouchi and muneware Regarding hamon... looks like gunome choji, but it is difficult to saw it clearly due to the light of the photo. Alight bulb in a dark room would have been better. Sebastien Quote
Guido Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 The description says it has a Hagire - which makes it more or less worthless. Quote
Marius Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Posted June 9, 2009 The description says it has a Hagire - which makes it more or less worthless. IMHO, on the contrary - the description assures that there is NO hagire or other serious kizu: "And there is not HAKOBORE(nicked part of an edge) and HAGIRE." Oh, BTW, yes, I thought about muneyaki while writing "hitatsura". The choji are quite visible in the hadori polish. I think, I can discern the hada as well, lloks like ko-itame to me... Quote
Guido Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Mariusz, you're absolutely right - I should have taken more than just a quick look at the description ... Quote
pcfarrar Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 I wonder if its o-suriage as the hamon seems to run straight into the nakago. Quote
Jean Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Peter, O suriage is generally used when the blade has been shortened to such extent that the mei has been cut away. If the mei remains, generally, it is called simply suriage Quote
pcfarrar Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 If the mei remains, generally, it is called simply suriage I still think it might be o-suriage with the mei being a later addition. If you look closely at the nakago you can see a big blob of choji going right into it. Quote
pcfarrar Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Machi okuri leads to the same result On reflection I think you are right. Had a quick look for Ieshige in Fujishiro but he wasn't in it. Not a bad sword for the current price. Quote
Jean Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 You are right Peter, very good deal for the price Quote
Gunome Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Hello, As strange as it could be appeard, I think it is ubu ! If it was really a choji on the machi, so there wasn't too space for original shape before machi okuri : there is only one mekugi ana which would be under habaki before machi okuri. Moreover, yasurime are constant from nakago jiri to the base of habaki. You can see on the photo of the other face a dark line (oxydation, dirty ?) crossing machi from ha machi to mune machi. If you have the same on the other side, it could be appeared as a choji on a bad photo. Patern of the hamon neer habaki on the ura side looks like yakidashi. Nevertheless I don't think it is yakidashi. Please note it is not statement, just speculation sebastien Quote
Jean Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Sebastien, I won't say if it is machi okuri or not, I was just talking generally Quote
Gunome Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 I know it Jean :D but pcfarrar seems think so. May I am wrong ? Difficult to say without handling the sword. Sébastien Quote
pcfarrar Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 May I am wrong ? Difficult to say without handling the sword. Why don't you buy it and let us know? After having a closer inspection of the photo I think you could be right about the oxidation making it look like a choji when it isn't. Either way like Marius said at the start its a good buy for a new collector and doesn't need any money spent on it at all. Quote
Brian Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 ...And now ending at at least 30% more than it would have gone for, thanks to the extensive advertising here. I think I need to email the seller for some commission Brian Quote
Amon Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 I couldn't agree more Brian so thanks gents for pushing it up over my monthly budget Regards, Quote
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