New Kabuto

[Tengu1957]

64 plate Kabuto , niji mei Yoshimichi with gold lacquer

Japanese armor society certificate one level under Juyo. 

Remounted in late Edo with Mabishashi signed by Myochin Munekane with Shikoro and Tehen added .

I really like the patina on this one. 

Thanks to Nick at Nihontoart.com for the chance to buy. 

[Tengu1957]

Signature of the Myochin who did the remount. Late Edo Myochin Munekane 

[Iekatsu]

Nice Kabuto Gary, do you have an image of the Mei? 

[YOJIMBO]

nice, but under Juyo means nothing.  why do you need to pass it off as "almost" treasure ?  

dear admin  !  don't delete my pos t! or are you doing targeted censorship? It's either number 1 or it's not. And this one isn't.

[Brian]

I'll delete whatever I like. And now that we deleted one member for interfering with sales, do we want another so soon?
Are you saying that Toku Hozon isn't one level under Juyo if this was a sword?
I don't know the armour levels or how that society works, but if they issue papers and this is the highest paper before Juyo is awarded, then there is NOTHING wrong with stating the certificate is one level under juyo. TH is one level above Hozon. Levels are how origami works. Do you have intimate knowledge of how the Japanese armor society works?

[YOJIMBO]

6 minutes ago, Brian said:

I'll delete whatever I like. And now that we deleted one member for interfering with sales, do we want another so soon?
 

is that like a threat? because I don't write a hypercorrect comment, do you want to delete me? at least others will make their own judgement.

[YOJIMBO]

24 minutes ago, Brian said:

Are you saying that Toku Hozon isn't one level under Juyo if this was a sword?
 

haha, manipulation question. don't try that on me. As you may know, but rather not. Tokubetsu kicho will never be Juyo. NEVER ! it's like bs claimed: I xxxx with a girl (but only on the monitor), or I "almost" won the Olympics, or I "almost" won an oscar. do you understand the difference either you're the first or you're not. I was just reacting to tengu1957 copying the text from the seller.

[kissakai]

I think that comments should contribute to the post and in my opinion this doesn't

You made a comment on one of my hanpo posts stating it was rubbish and not worth repairing which I thought contributed nothing of worth. You sell some pretty low value stuff but you have never had anyone state this in a reply to your selling posts.

I bought one of your amour stands and the quality was dire but it didn't cost much so it's an item I can strip down and remove the sharp edges and improve the finish. I never stated this in a reply to your post as I left it to the potential buyer to make up their own mind

This is quite hard to write but after your repeated caustic replies I felt now was a good time to air my views.

I can be as harsh as you but I suppose I'll now be on your 'blocked' list

I have nothing more to say and will not be drawn into an exchange of correspondence

You sell quite a few items on the NMB and I wonder if you make a contribution the NMB although this is non of my business

When I sell an item I contribute 5% of the sales to to the NMB and am happy to be a Gold member but that is my free choice

 

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by kissakai
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[Brian]

52 minutes ago, YOJIMBO said:

is that like a threat? because I don't write a hypercorrect comment, do you want to delete me? at least others will make their own judgement.

If people insist on breaking the rules, then I have NO problem banning them. Or if they are just rude or obnoxious.
Take a break for a day. Then see if you feel like being here or not. Sick of people thinking the rules don't apply to them.
People sharing their stuff shouldn't have to worry about others targeting them for no real reason.

[uwe]

I think this kabuto is rather interesting!

It bears a big name chiseled in the hachi, and gimei or not, the fact that his later owner feels worth to spend some money in refurbishing it, tells something. Furthermore, we are lucky enough to "know" the craftsmen who was commissioned with the job, so we can tell approximately when it happend. That's quite cool, I guess

[Tengu1957]

From the website of the armor society. They state of the 5 possible ratings that koshu Tokubetsu kicho shiryo is one step below Juyo and candidate as such .

Maybe Uwe would like to explain how this should be interpreted. It's signed so they do not call it gemei but as I said I believe they would have to remove the Tehen to get a verification what generation it would be. I see no reason to get upset over my statement. I am a collector and not an expert. It is a big name but I think anyone of us would hope it would be first generation but willing to accept another generation.  

[Luc T]

Dear Gary, you bought a fine Muromachi kabuto, papered by the NKBKHK as koshu tokubetsu,  This is not nothing.  Takemura sensei was a member of the  Shinsa team,  and he is familiar with Yoshimichi’s work.   I trust his opinion.

Yoshimichi is one of the sasaku, one of the 3 best kabuto smiths ever.   
About different generations, nothing is known.  There is however a difference in his work, what does me think of a production by the master himself, and a production of his workshop., but this is only an assumption.    Since it is a grandmaster, you should expect a masterpiece.  I saw only +-5 of there incredible masterpieces during my career.

I can not judge yours on these pictures, but at first glance it is not impossible that it is made by the master himself, or first generation (according some theories.)

[Luc T]

One more thing.  Yoshimichi’ s mei is on the paper.   This is important.  It confirms  the credibility of the mei.

[Tengu1957]

Thank you Luc, I appreciate the information. 

[Iekatsu]

If you don't mind sharing, I would still be interested in seeing the Mei.

[Luc T]

Koshu Tokubetsu is possibly a Jujo bunka shiryo. 
the mei of all generations/craftsmen in the workshop are equal.

is it the work that speaks.

[Tengu1957]

5 hours ago, Iekatsu said:

If you don't mind sharing, I would still be interested in seeing the Mei.

I'm away from home until Friday. This is the only image I have aside from the image on the origami 

[Marc T]

Hello Gary,

 

Very nice Kabuto, and remounted by Myochin Munechika. The owner of this Kabuto must have been very wealthy to have it done by Munechika. I also noticed that the signature of Munechika (which is genuine, and matching the other signatures we knows of him) do not bear the kanji "記"between Myochin and Munechika ( same as all the tsuba I saw of him). My guess ( and it is just my assumption) is that munechika remounted this kabuto during the first period of his career. 

 

Nice buy.

[Luc T]

I know other Munechika armors with a Yoshimichi kabuto… coincidentally?

[Marc T]

Hello Luc,

 

Considering the high position of Munechika at that time, only few high ranking and very wealthy samurai would have been able to ask for a remounting made by Munechika. On the other hand Munechika would have probably never accept to work on a average Kabuto.

 

I don’t believe he remounted only Yoshimichi Kabuto, but rather high value pieces of previous and famous armor makers regardless of the name of the original maker.

If you remember in this site there was a Kabuto with the mei of Munechika inside the Shikoro. The Kabuto was clearly not the work of Munechika, but by adding his name , he was adding to the value of the helmet and prestige to the owner of the helmet.

 

I believe this is the case we have here. The owner could say that he have a Yoshimichi helmet and remounted by Munechika. (You can’t miss Munechika mei on this helmet).Probably cost him a tremendous amount of money, but very prestigious.

 

Luc, would you be able to share the pictures of the other Munechika armor with a Yoshimichi Kabuto?.

 

By the way, just by curiosity, does anyone knows about other armor maker who remounted and signed their mei on the original piece?

Well done Gary. Very interesting Kabuto.

 

kind regards

 

[Luc T]

Mark, I have no pictures of it, sorry.  There are several other katchushi who signed restored armors, or parts.  Most of them however, signed with urushi.

[Marc T]

Thank you Luc. No worries about the pictures.

Kind regards

[kissakai]

My apologies to Gary about this reply but was unsure where else to put it

 

Moderators it can be moved or deleted as you wish

 

This was PMed to me today
YOJIMBO
Replied: 5 hours ago

I won't be vulgar. Because you would report me, hero. But I don't like you. Your hanpo is junk. I stand by that. And regarding the yoroi kake : if you had a problem, you should have fixed it right away. Slandering the stand just because you and your hanpo are junk. don't even answer.

 

I expected this type of reply
I will only say that I bought one of the hanpo from Yojimbo in Feb 2022

I thought I'd seen that you are not allowed to comment on his for sale items. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.

 

 

[Mark]

this thread is strange. I have known Gary for 30 years, he is knowledgeable and a collector, he is not trying to talk up what he posts to sell it. He has a number of great items and it is kind of him to share. I think we do the NMB a disservice if we stifle peoples willingness to share, we should encourage it. You don't have to make positive comments if you don't like something but it would be nice to be respectful and limit negative replies unless opinions are solicited.

 

Just my opinion, and --- caveat:  Gary is a friend so i am biased.

[YOJIMBO]

46 minutes ago, kissakai said:

My apologies to Gary about this reply but was unsure where else to put it

 

Moderators it can be moved or deleted as you wish

 

This was PMed to me today
YOJIMBO
Replied: 5 hours ago

I won't be vulgar. Because you would report me, hero. But I don't like you. Your hanpo is junk. I stand by that. And regarding the yoroi kake : if you had a problem, you should have fixed it right away. Slandering the stand just because you and your hanpo are junk. don't even answer.

 

I expected this type of reply
I will only say that I bought one of the hanpo from Yojimbo in Feb 2022

I thought I'd seen that you are not allowed to comment on his for sale items. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.

 

 

My god, you're a wretch. You bought 2 items for a few bucks. lots of talk, little money. very low level. Just the communication and payment process with you was a horror. You wrote me that everything was fine and that you thanked me for both. And here you are crying like a little baby, very funny.

[Brian]

It's amazing how the rude and obnoxious members are almost like clones of each other.
There is only a handful of them over the years, but they are exactly the same with the same distasteful air about them. Mind you, most of us are quite able to ignore them, but I bet it does their reputation a nice big knock. Buyers, know your seller.