Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hi Can I get help with the signature I believe it’s correct or hav any issues Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 That nakago sure seems long! Is the gunto extra long, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I will check Here is a better picture Nagasa/ Blade length: 68 cm Overall length in scabbard: 101.5 cm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 This is a common signature, the first part is "Hizen Kuni...." the rest is good practice. The below links are valuable to have bookmarked: https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/faq/question/14-kanji-used-in-names/ https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/faq/question/16-provinces-used-in-mei/ https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/faq/question/17-useful-and-common-kanji/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Top right of the main page, easy translation section. Have a go. These are easy and everyone needs to start at least trying a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Steve, GUNTÔ (軍刀) means military sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hi hate to hav to post this but need help since Im thinking of buying I’ve been looking for a older sighted sword but don’t want to make a 2000 mistake ! I need help with the age I think it’s a Shinto late Koto 26.772 inch blade Is the signature is ok and condition of blade description Nagasa/ Blade length: 68 cm Overall length in scabbard: 101.5 cm Koshirae/Fittings high quality, with original tassle. Lacquer on wood scabbard. Has silver mon.I believe it’s Blade: Reasonable polish, lots of activity, very very nice (albeit hard to photograph). The blade has bee well cared on has a scent of choji oil. No nicks, some areas of fade to polish. In hand the sword is very nice. The only blemish is that previously, Surely when fitted out with Gunto koshirae, the habaki was moved up a short distance, with the Nagasa being slightly shortened and under the habaki are marks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Steve, I am afraid the description tells nothing of value, and the photos are not helpful. No NAKAGO pictures with a signature. It seems to be a relatively straight blade (as found in KANBUN era). Mounting is military WWII so no connection to the SAMURAI era. What is it that you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihontocollector752 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Links to the actual item? Edit : nevermind, got it, i will be buying this one, thanks @Swords 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Doffin Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hi Steve, If all the pictures in this post are of the same blade (hard to tell for certain) the signature is Hizen no Kuni no Junin Tadayoshi Saku. This is a very big name and forged signatures are common. If it is a true main-line Hizen-to I'd expect it to be priced much higher than $2K (if sold by a knowledgeable seller). The hada doesn't look to be typical for the school and the sugata may be wrong (looks to be a typical shape for Kanbun era but the Hizen smiths often, if not usually, worked with a stronger sori. Not saying this is gimei; just that you need to be careful (coming here before purchase was smart). Other guys might have a different take on the sword; I'm often wrong. If you are a beginner you need to work with a seller you can trust. Grey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 If it is authentic is it still worth it considering the condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques D. Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Steve, Sorry but it's totally gimei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 So your saying is a true main-line Hizen-to I'd expect it to be priced much higher than $2K ? If that’s the case I don’t want to lose the sale Any other s chime in on this sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.hennick Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Yes! It is gimei. You can not find a good Hizento for that price. Edited November 3, 2022 by b.hennick to remove uncertainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Barry Your saying yes it’s a true main-line Hizen? I hav another saying it’s a gimme Wish I know for sure this is a good sword since I’m spending 2000 Any one else’s hav opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hi Steve, one of the nicer swords you have posted despite being gimei. The mounts are of good quality and the blade is in original old polish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Is it worth getting it polished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Let me put it another way did I get a good price for 2000 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 The question should be: Did you get a good sword for $ 2.000.--? If you consider that a decent polish will cost you at least $ 2.500.-- plus SHIRA-SAYA plus HABAKI plus shipping plus the agent's handling, you are at about $ 5.000.-- minimum, but there is no chance to get it papered. It's not 'gimme', it is GI-MEI. In a resale you will not get your money back that you have invested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Currently? No, that would be throwing money into a fire considering it is already expensive for a clear Gimei. This is a case where the Shin Gunto qualities are more valuable than the Nihonto aspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Ok supposedly is a true main-line Hizen-to I'd expect it to be priced much higher than $2K And it’s one of the best swords I’ve posted Despite being a gimei 2000 is expensive for a gimei my head is about to explode !’ Now I think it’s not worth paying 2000 and should pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Steve, a sword with a non-genuine signature is not necessarily bad or not good-looking. It may have been made some hundred years ago with good intentions. But to enjoy a blade and learn from it, you should be able to see the features, and that requires a good polish. It makes no sense to possess a blade in bad condition unless you can realistically expect to have it polished one day. But then you should be quite sure that the blade's value is increasing accordingly. But there is no strict rule for that. If you were wealthy enough to buy swords of any quality, you are of course free to have them polished and completed to your liking without looking at the resale value! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 It is not a bad sword in terms of Gunto by any means, if you like it then buy it. The issue is you will likely not recover your money, but only focusing on the monetary value is not really the true spirit of this hobby. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 I really appreciate everyone’s feed back Considering everything I hav heard and know ! as you said a gimei isn’t necessary a bad sword probably another smith used the name to get more money Or others signed for him The question for me now is do i want to spend 2000 for a nice sword in old polish with a gimei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Lots of great information guys alot to digest thanks 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Doffin Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Hi Steve, Maybe we have confused you. This sword is not a main-line Hizen-to; it is something else with the signature of a main-line Hizen smith. The signature is cut too deep to be easily removed without leaving evidence of the forgery, which likely means it won't make sense to have it polished. What you'll have is a suriage (shortened), if not o-suriage (greatly shortened), Shinto katana with a fake signature and no up side, no place to go to make improvements. Not what you should want to collect; I think you can do better. Grey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flynn Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Steve, all the swords you post are a waste of money. The days of bargain hunting are virtually over. The swords that are posted on eBay and similar sites, have been picked over for years. It's very hard to even get a good Gendaito for under US3k. AGAIN! you keep asking for opinions, because, obviously you don't know what you are looking at. If you are serious about collecting Nihonto, then you will seriously need to broaden your parameters. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihontocollector752 Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Mainline Hizen 1st to 3rd generations of Tadayoshi/Tadahiro or Masahiro should start at 20k for a papered (T. Hozon) and polished blade with Koshirae. The reason you should and everyone should avoid Gimei is because when you look at gimei you are only able to identify the Hataraki as feature sets. They have no affiliation to the smith in question so if all you want to do is identify (ver bad) hataraki on a sword buy gimei. If you are now at 2k, wait till you save 2k more and buy a beautiful papered Tanto or Wakizashi and go from there, what is the rush? And stop asking about bullshit on ebay already, you've had the same answers for every post - its bullshit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 I really appreciate everyone’s feed back Considering everything I hav heard and know ! as you said a gimei isn’t necessary a bad sword probably another smith used the name to get more money Or others signed for him The question for me now is do i want to spend 2000 for a nice sword in old polish with a gimei Believe it or not I hav bought all my swords on EBay from dealers I thought I could find another ! Going forward I’m sticking to people I know and won’t be posting any more crap swords ! Sorry for wasting every ones time! I appreciate all your great help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 The question is not is it worth 2000$ for you guys, but is it worth 2000$ for your eyes. You are the only one who can decide. Nobody can take the decision for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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