Daisho tsuba

[Yves55]

I posted those tsuba under the title "Nanako tsuba", but didn't get any reaction on these... 🥺

Any comment is welcome 😃

 

 

[Dan tsuba]

Yves, I am envious!  Beautiful pair of tsuba!!  Fine nanako work.

 

With respect,

Dan

[Yves55]

I found a signed nanako tsuba on https://collection.maas.museum/object/183052 with very similar design. Same artist or school?

Can anyone read these kanji for me? Thanks!

 

[MauroP]

後藤傅乗 - Gotō Denjō + kaō
 

[Yves55]

2 minutes ago, MauroP said:

後藤傅乗 - Gotō Denjō + kaō
 

Thanks a lot Mauro 😃

[Geraint]

Hmm!  Interesting bit in the catalogue notes from the museum,

 

"This sword guard appears to have been made at the Soten School of tsuba making in Japan. The Soten school was created by one of Masamune's students named Kanemitsu who was one of a select group of ten pupils. Kanemitsu is usually credited with having started the Soden School, which successfully combined Bizen and Soshu forging techniques."  ??!!

 

Nice tsuba, Yves.  What do you think the primary material is?

 

All the best.

 

 

[Yves55]

2 hours ago, Geraint said:

Hmm!  Interesting bit in the catalogue notes from the museum,

 

"This sword guard appears to have been made at the Soten School of tsuba making in Japan. The Soten school was created by one of Masamune's students named Kanemitsu who was one of a select group of ten pupils. Kanemitsu is usually credited with having started the Soden School, which successfully combined Bizen and Soshu forging techniques."  ??!!

 

Nice tsuba, Yves.  What do you think the primary material is?

 

All the best.

 

 

Thanks for your reply.

I'm almost certain it's shakudo. The nakago hole has some copper colour where it touched the tang.

There are no sekigane, so I think these tsuba were only mounted once on a specific daisho.

Have you seen the other pictures of this daisho pair in my earlier post "Nanako tsuba"?

 

[Yves55]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:08 PM, Geraint said:

Hmm!  Interesting bit in the catalogue notes from the museum,

 

"This sword guard appears to have been made at the Soten School of tsuba making in Japan. The Soten school was created by one of Masamune's students named Kanemitsu who was one of a select group of ten pupils. Kanemitsu is usually credited with having started the Soden School, which successfully combined Bizen and Soshu forging techniques."  ??!!

 

Nice tsuba, Yves.  What do you think the primary material is?

 

All the best.

 

 

Hey Geraint,

Yesterday you asked for the primary material. I'm still pretty sure it's shakudo, but I looked for the differences with shibuichi... and it seems not so obvious... Can you really see 👀 the difference?

I'm sure it isn't iron, since a strong magnet didn't react. 🤣

 

Here is a nakago hole picture of the other tsuba:

[MauroP]

Shakudō was the most used material by Gotō school, and the most used in all nanako-ji tsuba. So, statistically, should be shakudō...

[ROKUJURO]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:08 PM, Geraint said:

....."This sword guard appears to have been made at the Soten School of tsuba making in Japan. The Soten school was created by one of Masamune's students named Kanemitsu who was one of a select group of ten pupils. Kanemitsu is usually credited with having started the Soden School, which successfully combined Bizen and Soshu forging techniques."....

Geraint,

SODEN and SOTEN are really close or perhaps even the same. If you can forge a decent sword blade, you may also be able to make a little TSUBA, right? 

[Geraint]

Dear Yves and Mauro.

 

I must apologise for starting a hare.  It may just be the colour balance on the photographs but the seppa dai seems to have a brownish cast to it.  Now if we are going with  Goto attribution then I would expect a lovely deep glossy black.  Also flawless workmanship.  Of course it is a copper alloy, (and not shibuichi), if you search for Mino Goto you will find a great range in the colour of the alloy used.  

 

Whatever these are they are very nice and I would be happy to own them, and yes I read your other thread so include all three tsuba in that.

 

I hope that some of the Goto experts will chip in here.

 

All the best.

[Yves55]

21 hours ago, Geraint said:

Dear Yves and Mauro.

 

I must apologise for starting a hare.  It may just be the colour balance on the photographs but the seppa dai seems to have a brownish cast to it.  Now if we are going with  Goto attribution then I would expect a lovely deep glossy black.  Also flawless workmanship.  Of course it is a copper alloy, (and not shibuichi), if you search for Mino Goto you will find a great range in the colour of the alloy used.  

 

Whatever these are they are very nice and I would be happy to own them, and yes I read your other thread so include all three tsuba in that.

 

I hope that some of the Goto experts will chip in here.

 

All the best.

 

Dear Geraint,

 

I looked at pictures of "nanako shakudo tsuba" on the internet. Some of them also have a brownish colored seppa-dai.

Maybe there is a chemical reaction when the tsuba stays for a very long time between two copper seppa.

The nanako just around the seppa-dai on both tsuba also isn't black anymore.

 

I'm looking forward to any "Goto expert" comment.

Any idea on the era of those three tsuba? 

[Franco D]

Mino Goto tsuba .... https://www.google.com/search?q=Mino+Goto+tsuba&sxsrf=ALiCzsYOeuSFiJ6J1CNhJ-1kewFdmlcehw:1667507065581&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5pLfy65L7AhXkD1kFHbXGCUUQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1097&bih=533&dpr=1.75

 

 

[Franco D]

16 hours ago, Yves55 said:

I looked at pictures of "nanako shakudo tsuba" on the internet. Some of them also have a brownish colored seppa-dai.

Maybe there is a chemical reaction when the tsuba stays for a very long time between two copper seppa.

The nanako just around the seppa-dai on both tsuba also isn't black anymore.

 

 

This old thread may be of some value.