shan Posted May 28, 2009 Report Posted May 28, 2009 Here is a blade that i thought you might like to see. This is from my own collection. It would be interesting if i could get some feedback on quality based on my very poor images. I am thinking of having it polished. Again good or bad is fine. If its junk then please do say so,I will not be offended with directness. I hope i have not put people off responding in a constructive and helpful manner.
lonely panet Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 It looks good as is, you can see all the features well. it looks like there is some utsori in the ji, so im thing Bizen, may be koto, but im still learning. so i hope i havent made a fool of my self. i say its more of interest than rubbish Regards Hamfish
Henry Wilson Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 Do yoy have a pic of the nakago? The rusted black bit at the end.
shan Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Posted May 29, 2009 Here as requested is an image of the Nakago. Regards Shan
reinhard Posted May 30, 2009 Report Posted May 30, 2009 Before jumping on the "might be utsuri=Bizen=KoTo"-train and debating details of the nakago, you better start with the shape of the blade. Is it shortened or not? And why not? What do curvature and tapering tell? Shape of kissaki and quality of boshi are crucial. Can I see them? What are the blade's measurements? If you don't know them, you better ask. - At a later stage, still ignoring hada and hamon, for you can't see them properly on pictures anyway, you go to nakago's details. There is only one mekugi-ana and it is approximately where it should be. What does this mean? Supposed this blade is unshortened, and this is what it looks like, why is there no signature? There seem to be triangle-shaped parts filed off on each side of the nakago within and below the habaki-moto area and extension of shinogi-line into nakago is interrrupted. What's the meaning of this? There's a straight line separating habaki-moto area from a darker area below. What does this mean and does this look like anything I've seen before? - Having answered these questions to yourself, you haven't seen anything yet, for some crucial and tricky questons are still to come. reinhard
shan Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Posted May 30, 2009 Apoligies,here is the Boshi and some hamon. I am very busy at the moment so my apologies about the rushed images,but i will endevour to take better images of the boshi if they are needed (which i guess they always are) I had taken my usual catologue images but they were sadly lacking as i just hadn`t got round to doing them properly yet. Regards shan
Mark Green Posted May 31, 2009 Report Posted May 31, 2009 Hi Shan, My first thoughts were WW2 gendi., or maybe late 1800's- early 1900's. I wouldn't think it has been shortened. The hamon runs off at the machi. I don't like how the hadori seems to be 'way' above the hamon on some of the omote side :? It could just be the pics. Measurements may help a bit. sure has a bunch of nie. Not sure what reinhard is seeing on the Nakago. Can't wait for the criptic clues. All great points made. Hard to see that Boshi. I don't feel it is very old, but it is a strange one. I look forward to reinhard conclusion. Mark
reinhard Posted June 1, 2009 Report Posted June 1, 2009 I don't want to make random guesses, when, where or by whom this blade was made, since most of the informations needed are not given. All I can see is a katana-size blade, probably traditionally made and of Japanese origin. Polish is bad, but that doesn't make it rubbish. Sugata is unclear most often on amateur's pics, because of distortion, resulting from wrong camera angle and wrong focal length. - All measurements of a blade are crucial (nagasa of blade/nakago, sori, moto-haba, saki-haba, moto-kasane, saki-kasane) and should be known/given. Without these measurements any attempt of understanding a blade is senseless. In this particular case, nakago (once again) is almost the only source of reliable information. It looks unshortened, for the only mekugi-ana is approximately where it should be and, as Mark pointed out, Hamon seems to stop around habaki-moto. Now this nakago is a textbook example for ground and repatinated nakago. Removing deeply cut mei/nengo, leaves a nakago markedly thinner than before. It's even worse, when kanji cross(ed) nakago's shinogi. Instead of letting shinogi apruptly end or continue suddenly on a much lower level, it was often gradually filed off. That is where the triangle-shaped marks come from. I made a little sketch for illustration. Next step was to add new patina. Chemically induced, it is called "sabitsuke nakago". The borderline between chemically treated (darker) surface and upper, clean part of the nakago is an almost straight and clearly visible line. Irregular patches within the darker area are also pointing towards "sabitsuke". reinhard
Jacques Posted June 2, 2009 Report Posted June 2, 2009 Hi, This blade seems have been machi-okuri. BTW it's only a text book example for bad work. Hamon seems to stop around habaki-moto If my reminds good, some times ago, you had said that we cannot judge from the keisho because we can't see the nioi-guchi. Have you changed your point of view?
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted June 2, 2009 Report Posted June 2, 2009 BTW it's only a text book example for bad work. Enphasis is mine, but it's implicit you're stating Rainhard is wrong in his assumption. Care to enlight us with your explanation on the matter, i.e. why the nakago looks so butchered ?
Guido Posted June 2, 2009 Report Posted June 2, 2009 After what happened recently, and in fact is still happening, I'm absolutely in no mood for yet another passive-agressive "challenge", nit-picking and "he said, she said" nonsense. You guys better stand back and take a deep breath or this forum will loose another couple of members! Topic locked!
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