A Police Sword and Japanese Army M-1886 Officers Parade Sword ?

[drac2k]

Usually we novices try to make the forum do all of the work, but in this case I tried to do some of the preliminary work and ask for help where I got bogged down.

The top sword I believe to be a Japanese Army Officer's M-1886 Parade Sword marked with the Kaga Family Mon ; how far off am I ?

The second sword I believe to be a Police Sword, pre-1945 for Civilian Mounted Police ; It has one definite marking on the blade(need help),  and maybe another on the habaki (possibly Dai or Tai).How far off am I ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kiipu]

2 hours ago, drac2k said:

The second sword I believe to be a Police Sword, pre-1945 for Civilian Mounted Police ; It has one definite marking on the blade(need help),  and maybe another on the habaki (possibly Dai or Tai).

 

@micah has a police sword with the same blade marking.

early meji? police sword marking

[drac2k]

Looks like its twin brother; is that a mark on my habaki or is it my imagination ?

[Misconstrued]

It does look like there's a mark, but I'm inexperienced with these types.

[Bruce Pennington]

The top sword is a Type 19 Cavalry sword, not a parade sword. That is a fighting blade not a dress blade.

[drac2k]

Thanks for the info !

[Geraint]

Dear David.

 

First of all two nice finds!  Congratulations on putting in the research hours,that approach will stand you in good stead going forward.

Any pictures of the blade of the Police sword?  I can't see a mekugi so maybe not.

 

All the best.

[BANGBANGSAN]

This ons has "示“mark and 警視廳 Metropolitan Police Department mark。

 

[Bruce Pennington]

11 hours ago, BANGBANGSAN said:

示

Doing a web search on this "shi", I found a Wiki translation that said "ancestor veneration".  Maybe this is similar to the other religious symbols we see on swords.  It would make sense.  I've never seen a shop logo on a blade, but I've seen plenty of religious symbology, including horimono on them.

 

This makes 3 of these on file, all police swords.

 

And thanks for the Metropolitan Police Department markings!

[Bruce Pennington]

On 7/6/2022 at 2:52 PM, drac2k said:

is that a mark on my habaki or is it my imagination ?

The mark is too undefined to say for sure.  I do have one other mark on a habaki, an anchor - styled mark, but don't know what to say about either yours of this other one.

[Bruce Pennington]

15 hours ago, BANGBANGSAN said:

警視廳

Trystan,

When I send this to google translate, it says "Metropolitan Police Department" if it's Chinese.  When I click on Japanese, it says "Superintendent".  Thoughts?

[Kiipu]

警視廳 = Keishichō = Metropolitan Police Department.

The old characters are 警視廳 while the new characters are 警視庁.

視 = 視.

廳 = 庁.

Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department

 

[drac2k]

Geraint, here are close ups of the blades ;notice that the Type 19 Cavalry sword has a chemical etch.

I don't think that either sword has a mekugi, but rather the tank goes all of the way through and it is held on by a nut, etc..

Since the forum members participating  in this thread were so knowledgeable in Japanese characters, I threw in this naval landing sword that after all of these years I just noticed what I believe to be some items crudely inscribed underneath ;any ideas as to their meaning?

[drac2k]

Are these Japanese kanji or just wishful thinking on my part ?

[Ooitame]

Congrats on the swords and homewrok!

[micah]

On 7/6/2022 at 2:03 PM, Kiipu said:

 

@micah has a police sword with the same blade marking.

early meji? police sword marking

yea it is  Exactly the same same spot to

[micah]