2 stupid questions,sorry

[shan]

This has probably been covered already but just so i know:

 

1. What do we call the hamon that appears shaped as a gentle hill then a pointed mountain,then gentle hill then pointed mountain and so on?

2. Can we determine a school based on a Nakago with Higaki Yasureme?Satsuma Naminohira was one that used this i believe, but what others did in the shinshinto period specifically?

If i had a list i could then try to whittle down a bit.

hopefully

Shan

[Stephen]

If you look up the hamon youll remember it better, three cedars

 

 

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/terms/terms.htm

[shan]

Sorry ,this is my fault for not showing an image.

Its not sanbonsugi as i would recognise it Stephen i would know that one as i would all the other known basic styles.

Its not listed in any book and i cannot find it on the internet.

Its a large gentle hill and then a pointed mountain repeated over and over. So a Gunome with Mt Fuji ?

The blades well out of Polish so i am having trouble capturing it but try this:

 

[Stephen]

ah i see what you mean, maybe gunome/notare

[shan]

I this hamon indicative of a school and period?

I think the blade is approx 1600`s or early based on Nakago comparisons.

Feel free to brainstorm people.

shan

[Mark Green]

Hi Shan,

Can we get a pic of the whole sword, and Nakago?

That may help a bunch.

Kinda Looks Bungo to me

Mark G

[shan]

Hi Mark,

the best i can do at short notice and on an out of polish blade.

Feel free to have a go at Kantei though.

If you need better let me know but its not easy on a blade thats this far out of polish.

thanks

shan

 

 

 

 

 

[Markus]

Hi Shan,

 

Although I can´t contribute anything particular to the/your sword in question, I would like

to add that there are a lot of hamon compositions which do not have a determined nomenclature.

It is then just expressed through a enumeration of all of the features seen along the form of hamon

which makes so to speak the "main topic".

Such a mix as on your drawing for example would be described just as "gunome which shows some

togari-gunome-like elements" (gunome ni shosho togari-gunome-gokoro majiri, 互の目に所々尖り互の目ごころ交じり).

[John A Stuart]

I would be tempted to say gunome midare and leave it at that, for your sword. The smaller elements do not really show togari like features, to me anyway. Togari can be quite pointed. Here is an example, that even such, is not as pointed as can be seen at times. It is not by who you may think it is. John

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

Based on the drawing, i would say Toran.

[Brian]

Whatever the technical term for it is, it looks a bit Mino to me. There are endless variations of sanbon-sugi and gunome, but this one with the slightly pointed waves says Mino to me...anyone differ?

 

Brian

[John A Stuart]

I agree Brian. hamon, yasuri (if Shan is correct), boshi all fit the pattern. What is the hada? Mino, sue-Seki maybe. John

[shan]

  John A Stuart said:

It is not by who you may think it is. John

 

Hi John,

To be honest i had no thoughts on it at all,but i do remember seeing one very similar to it once so saved the files.

NB My Blade:It has an Itame Hada.

 

I am, as ever, an optimist ,but ......let me just "jump out of the frying pan and into the fire"

.... i see marked similarities to this blade by Nihon Kaji Sosho Iga no Kami Kinmichi.

and even more so after a few beers :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Superficial similarities agreed but the modern study of Nihonto is superficial to a degree.....Anyway the Yasureme,hada and hamon are very similar,The nakago as well but the Kinmichi is Suriage.

The blade in my question shows little or no Yakidashi though.

Maybe Den Kinmichi i though or an earlier gen?

 

I have a slightly shorter but thicker,stouter Blade with the same nakago as this one and a Midare/Gunome/notare hamon.

The nakago on both is almost identical in age and looks.

Are we leaning towards Mino

thanks

Shan

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

This blade is Shinto. maybe Osaka.

Yasuri look more kiri than higaki.

 

 

ps Is your Kinmichi signed?

[shan]

Sorry again Jacques,i should have posted an image.

the higaki question "2. Can we determine a school based on a Nakago with Higaki Yasureme?Satsuma Naminohira was one that used this i believe, but what others did in the shinshinto period specifically?"

 

This was directed as a general question but about a specific sword i have.

Thanks shan

 

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

  Quote

Satsuma Naminohira was one that used this i believe, but what others did in the shinshinto period specifically?"

 

In Shinshinto? Aoki Motonaga school.