tsuba info please

[loiner1965]

can anyone shed any lights on these tsubas please.......a friend on another forum put these up asking for help and my experience is rather limited.

many thanks

[Brian]

Cleaned within an inch of their lives.
Please rotate the pic, they are all upside down.

[loiner1965]

how do i rotate them ?

[loiner1965]

he is after age and possibly school if thats possible due to intensive polishing......i dont think he is the culprit

many thanks brian

[Spartancrest]

Well I can tell him that the second top one  [Taiko drum] has a similar one in the V&A [Victoria and Albert Museum UK.]  that one does not have the handle on the side. https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O462573/tsuba/ 

 

Also close to one of my pieces which has the handle and a drumstick on the opposite side - looking like a spout of a teapot.

Unfortunately I can't say what school or maker made it - nor can the V&A . But a wild guess going with the ten-zogan inlay it is possibly Shoami?

 

 

The left bottom one could be Soten or at least Hikone-bori. The bottom right is Hizen or Namban. I have not seen many Namban in that shape.

[Spartancrest]

Is it possible to see the opposite side of the guards - I notice the drum one is shown with the ura view and not sure of the first top row - unusual thin hitsu.

[Steves87]

A little bit distressing, they were some very nice examples. Where did he get them from?

The lower left looks to be Soten/Hikone.

[Bugyotsuji]

Bottom left is signed Sōten.

The top left one is calling to me but I’d need to go book trawling.

[Curran]

Dead, dead, dead, and.... dead.

Not much left worth saying.

[Spartancrest]

Come on Curran - bit of black shoe polish? 

[Curran]

If I can be more positive, "the world welcomes 4 more paperweights"

Brutal year so far, so good humor and levity are most welcome.

[Brian]

Wish I didn't. But I agree with Curran.

[loiner1965]

i agree gentlemen but unfortunately his friend wasnt to know, i will ask for the reverse side and post asap

[roger dundas]

So does it mean another few hundred years will need to pas before these 4 can again again be considered worthy of consideration ?

And how best to store or handle them over this time or is there some alchemist out there who has some sort of formula to redeem this lot ?

Just wondering

Roger j

[Brian]

There are people who could/would repatinate. I think there are losses to mixed metals and details though.
But this isn't a job for an amateur. If it were me, I would ask Ford if there is anything the owner can do himself.
As for schools etc, the hints above are about all I can suggest.

[loiner1965]

here is the reverse side.......its a forum member friend they belong to so i suspect he can read the replies.....

dont know what he did to the tea pot tsuba as i am only the messager etc and cannot give advice myself.

[vajo]

Before

 

After

 

Its repatinated by an well known Artist. I like that tsuba very much.

 

 

[loiner1965]

22 minutes ago, vajo said:

Before

 

After

 

Its repatinated by an well known Artist. I like that tsuba very much.

 

difference is astounding........

 

[Spartancrest]

Steve B., thanks very much for the alternate views - looks like only half the drum was 'cleaned' [I also call mine a teapot - even if it isn't ] but it has a slightly strange colour to it? Lost most of the ten-zogan and also looks like some of the carved wood grain is worn away bottom corner left [omote] - at least it has retained it's 'handle' which is more than can be said of the V&A example.

 

Different circumstances, but they are 'repairable'. Loss of patina is better than corrosion damage.

 

Chris - as usual, very nice!

[Spartancrest]

On 5/17/2022 at 11:52 PM, loiner1965 said:

can anyone shed any lights on these tsubas please......

This thread is a long time ago but I found an interesting piece to match the "Taiko drum" tsuba - this version has a rim and is found in the Saint Louis Art Museum, https://www.slam.org...ction/objects/37900/