Pippo Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 And newly arrived naval sword. Does anyone know what the small hanger knot under the standard sword tassel is? Its the second one ive come across and 1st one i though was a cotton ribbon with pull knot someone had added but now im gathering it was issued 3 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 That is a retention cord, it would be wrapped around one of the hangers to secure the handle as these didn't have locking buttons. They must have been quite common as you can see them used in many period photos but not many survived or were simply discarded. 4 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 There's a real name for these that I've never gotten committed to memory, but John is spot-on. Here's another example with associated reg pages. @Pippo, have you gotten the mei translated? I'd like to add the photos to my Showa stamp files. Also, fair to assume no date on the other side? More questions - Is that rayskin same' or fabric? Can you tell if all the metal fittings were originally gilded and painted and have somehow been degraded, or are they possibly late-war, non gilded, non-painted? I have seen a couple of late-war kaigunto with upgraded saya, like yours, but it's not common. I have a kai with an ancient blade in it, with similar fittings. I can see places where the original gilding is there, but most of the gilding on all of the parts is faded, or worn, or degraded away somehow. Even the black lacquer on the same' is mostly missing. And whatever paint or patina that used to be on the tsuba/seppa set is gone. The sharkskin on the saya is worn and shows buckling at the seems. It looks like it laid in a swamps for a few weeks before someone picked it up. A bit of a mystery to me. I cannot imagine how all the gilding would have disappeared. 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 The last 3 characters look like "Kanemori Saku"...? Quote
David Flynn Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 Noshu Ju. X X Kanemune Saku. Need a clearer photo of the Mei. 3 Quote
Kiipu Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 Ditto the above. 濃州住福本兼宗作 = Nōshū jū Fukumoto Kanemune saku. 2 1 Quote
Pippo Posted April 28, 2022 Author Report Posted April 28, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 1:05 PM, Bruce Pennington said: There's a real name for these that I've never gotten committed to memory, but John is spot-on. Here's another example with associated reg pages. @Pippo, have you gotten the mei translated? I'd like to add the photos to my Showa stamp files. Also, fair to assume no date on the other side? More questions - Is that rayskin same' or fabric? Can you tell if all the metal fittings were originally gilded and painted and have somehow been degraded, or are they possibly late-war, non gilded, non-painted? I have seen a couple of late-war kaigunto with upgraded saya, like yours, but it's not common. I have a kai with an ancient blade in it, with similar fittings. I can see places where the original gilding is there, but most of the gilding on all of the parts is faded, or worn, or degraded away somehow. Even the black lacquer on the same' is mostly missing. And whatever paint or patina that used to be on the tsuba/seppa set is gone. The sharkskin on the saya is worn and shows buckling at the seems. It looks like it laid in a swamps for a few weeks before someone picked it up. A bit of a mystery to me. I cannot imagine how all the gilding would have disappeared. Expand Yes rayskin same, Georgie trotters hopefully popping by in next few weeks as i was going to ask him about the fittings as they struck me as odd but dont think theyve been buffed clean removing the normail gilt and paint as condition elsewhere on handle is extremely good and untouched. 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted May 2, 2022 Report Posted May 2, 2022 @Pippo - am I safe in assuming there is no date on the other side? Quote
Pippo Posted May 3, 2022 Author Report Posted May 3, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 12:58 PM, Bruce Pennington said: @Pippo - am I safe in assuming there is no date on the other side? Expand George Trotter just had a look at, no date, fittings he thinks the finish/bluings just faded-worn, black ray to the handle, gave me heaps as just realised im a kiwi after a number of years of treating me civilly 🤣 1 3 Quote
mecox Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 Kanemune was adopted son of Ichimonji Minamoto Amahide, Seki, see - Member Articles, background and examples. 2 1 Quote
Shugyosha Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 5:26 AM, Pippo said: George Trotter just had a look at, no date, fittings he thinks the finish/bluings just faded-worn, black ray to the handle, gave me heaps as just realised im a kiwi after a number of years of treating me civilly 🤣 Expand Could be worse mate, you might have been a closet Pom. 2 Quote
george trotter Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 I read that Pippo...you're in for it now... 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 Had to post. Came across it looking up "pom." 1 Quote
george trotter Posted May 3, 2022 Report Posted May 3, 2022 Bruce, gotta watch out for Poms and Kiwis...we Aussies have heaps of them running loose here haha. I have to admit though, even though I am an Aussie, I spent 3 years in Kent in England...I worked in a pub there, they liked me and called me their pet kangaroo (I used to say "watch out you don't upset me and get me hopping mad") - we'd all laugh...great times. I also spent time in US and Canada (in mining). I married a girl from Chicago...great. She has been to kiwi-land...I never went there...(if you have lived/worked in the Rocky Mountains of British Columbia and Alaska you have already seen heaven...no need to go anywhere else like Switzerland or New Zealand)... BTW, I drove Landrovers as my 'car of choice' from 1966-2010...great car, great times. Regards, 4 1 Quote
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