Tengu1957 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 O Suriage Tachi late Kamakura Circa 1290-1300. 68 cm NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon attribution to Yamato Taima Specifically to Cho Aritoshi Cho is short for Chobeinojo Aritoshi This school takes its name from the Taimadera temple in Nara. They made swords for the warrior monks who protected the holdings and land belonging to the temple. They rarely signed these swords and the works of this school are rare . Sayagaki by Mr Tonobe The Hada of this sword is really beautiful. 12 1 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 Thank you, Gary, for posting a beautiful and old blade. It is rare nowadays for someone to post Kamakura period blades on the board. Most action seems to be elsewhere. 1 Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 I'm not able to read anything because of the photo. Wondering who called it a Tachi, Tonobi? Quote
NewB Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 12:16 AM, Gakusee said: Thank you, Gary, for posting a beautiful and old blade. It is rare nowadays for someone to post Kamakura period blades on the board. Most action seems to be elsewhere. Expand 30" nagasa Possible Norinaga... Not showing off or hijacking the thread. My camera isn't cooperating lately. J. 2 Quote
Tengu1957 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 3:02 AM, Baba Yaga said: I'm not able to read anything because of the photo. Wondering who called it a Tachi, Tonobi? Expand Mr. Tonobe and a NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 Kanji recognition opportunity! 田野辺 道宏 Tanobe Michihiro Quote
JAL Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 Hi, Nice Taima sword. Although it is stated that Taima is a somewhat rare school, I owned four blades in during twenty years of collecting and two of them attributed to Cho Aritoshi. Currently I still have in my collection a juyo token attributed to den Cho Aritoshi (62nd juyo session) with a sayagaki by Tanobe sensei which translates approximately to: Sayagaki Tanobe Sensei 62th juyo token The Wasyu Cho Aritoshi. This sword is Osuriage Mumei. This sword smith was Taima school’s student, he was a sword smith in the Kenmu era. Hamon is Suguha and Syogunome with deep and thick Nie. Also, Hamon has many Niju- ha and Yubashiri. This sword has a lot of characteristics of Aritoshi and is excellent. Nagasa 2 shaku 2 sun 2 bu Year of the Rooster 2017 best regards, John 5 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 John, did you pursue Taima as a collecting area of interest? So, out of around 1000 Juyo Yamato blades, I reckon the largest specified number, over a quarter, are Taima. This signifies their quality and in fact they are at the top of the Yamato pedestal in terms of sophistication and quality. 1 Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 3:43 AM, Tengu1957 said: Mr. Tonobe and a NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon Expand It would be nice to see and read that. Can you post that please? Thanks Quote
Tengu1957 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 1:20 PM, Gakusee said: John, did you pursue Taima as a collecting area of interest? So, out of around 1000 Juyo Yamato blades, I reckon the largest specified number, over a quarter, are Taima. This signifies their quality and in fact they are at the top of the Yamato pedestal in terms of sophistication and quality. Expand Another Kamakura Taima Tachi I have 2 Quote
SteveM Posted March 27, 2022 Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 2:43 PM, Baba Yaga said: It would be nice to see and read that. Can you post that please? Expand Same here. If it isn't too much trouble, would it be possible to get shots of the sayagaki for both pieces? I'm very impressed with the collection. Two Taima swords... amazing. 2 1 Quote
Tengu1957 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 3:19 PM, b.hennick said: 👍👍 Expand Here is Taima #1 paper and #2 sayagaki , I'll get a better image of sayagaki #1 when I am at home next Friday 1 1 Quote
JAL Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 Hi all, here are some pictures of the sayagaki of my Taima. Translation in earlier post. I was not really looking for specifically Taima, but did at that time have a vested interest in Yamato. Still own a TH Kamakura tachi, a juyo Senjuin Yoshimitsu Kamakura tanto and this Taima Cho Aritoshi. best regards John 1 1 Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 The 1st photo threw me. Looked like it was almost straight with no sori. I thought may be exception 10,001. Back to the Optometrist. 1 Quote
FZ1 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 3:07 PM, Baba Yaga said: Back to the Optometrist. Expand I feel your pain Pat! I went to work without my specs one day last week and had to try reading everything from about 6 feet distance all day. Jon Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 62 years and I only need classes for driving. That changed fast At least I still have all my hair. 1 Quote
Rivkin Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 3:07 PM, Baba Yaga said: The 1st photo threw me. Looked like it was almost straight with no sori. I thought may be exception 10,001. Back to the Optometrist. Expand On a very personal note I have to wonder if these are Kamakura per se. They both look like earlish Nambokucho. Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 4:05 PM, Rivkin said: On a very personal note I have to wonder if these are Kamakura per se. Expand Kirill, beats the heck out of me, but makes a great story. I confess, in a state of confusion, Quote
JAL Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 Sayagaki of my Taima Den Cho Aritoshi states the smith being active in Kenmu era (1333-1336 so Nambokucho). 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 Yes, you are both right, the masculine sugata, lower curvature and okissaki or rather extended chu kissaki are of course more Nanbokucho. But it is one of these where the blade is +/- five to ten years of the watershed (1333, which demarcates the end of Kamakura). It is not as though these blades are from towards the late/ end of the 14 century 1 Quote
Baba Yaga Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 4:22 PM, JAL said: Sayagaki of my Taima Den Cho Aritoshi states the smith being active in Kenmu era (1333-1336 so Nambokucho). Expand How one threads a needle like that without a Mai is way over my comprehension. Quote
JAL Posted March 28, 2022 Report Posted March 28, 2022 Hi, Setsumei translstion best effort. Description It is said that Aritoshi was a swordmaker belonged to Yamato Taima school and he has two names: one is Aritoshi (有俊) consisting of two Chinese characters and another is Cho Aritoshi (長有俊) consisting of three Chinese characters. The former one can be seen produced in Einin 6 (1298). It is a common theory that mei of Cho Aritoshi (three Chinese characters) shows the second Aritoshi, the era is approx. Kenmu, shortened name of Chobei (no) jo Aritoshi. This sword is that jigane is koitame with slightly nagare masa, thick jinie sticked to pieces, hamon is suguha, kochoji, kogunome, kui chigai ba & niju ba & yubashiri on habuchi, thick nie is brightly saeru, etc, significantly see Cho Aritoshi’s feature on jiba (jihada and hamon) and kiwameno syuko sareru (it is proved as the past authentication.). As Cho Aritoshi’s feature, habuchi is a highlight of niju ba. This sword has strong hanie with Cho Aritoshi’s kiwame, niju ba with thick and condensed nie can be frequently seen on habuchi, hamon is clearly skillful. It is an excellent piece of work. best regards, John 2 1 Quote
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