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Eric H Mentor

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sencho,

 

The fuchi is signed TOMOKATA SAKU. For a kozuka of the same design by Tomokata see B.W. Robinson, The Baur Collection, No. D 144 illustrated in Colour plate XIII.

 

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Eric

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This must be the longest post ever recorded! It disappears down the list for awhile and then resurfaces.

 

Brian/Rich - can you confirm if this is the longest? 216 replies, 21,347 views.

 

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Brian

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Recorded on this forum?...yes.

But I have seen other 'net forums with threads that went 1200 PAGES long.

This isn't a competition though...would be great to get some more discussion of the topic and not just links posted.

Now just imagine if someone was collecting this theme. They could have a very nice collection by now.

Still quite educational though. I remember seeing this pattern all around Japan when I was there. Pity I didn't take pics.

 

Carry on... :)

 

Brian

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Now just imagine if someone was collecting this theme. They could have a very nice collection by now.

 

 

Brian

 

I am.... wish I had the cash to buy all of the examples!!! :cry:

 

Donations gratefully received... :lol:

 

Should have a couple of "Sayagata merging into Raimon" peices coming in in the next few weeks.... will post them when and if I get 'em...

 

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just noticed sayagata patern on a fuchi on the katana from a Daisho i have .

 

will post a couple of pics here and post a new thread with the Daisho mounts .

ray.

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sencho Mentor

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first sayagata pattern from new year

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/C076-JP-Sa.....dZViewItem

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wondered when this would rear it's ugly head again....

 

Interesting to note that Ole Po' calls this pattern SHA-AYA, rather than Sayagata.

 

I wonder if Moriyama san or Morita san, or someone else in the know, can elaborate on this name used by Ole Po'... I have never come across it as yet

 

From my research the closest I could come was SAYAGATA to which there was no visual example, but just a written explanation of "A regular pattern / series of interlocking / joined Manji"

 

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船長　ナイジェル ビーティー

 

 

As most of us already know, the kanji for saya-gata are “紗綾形â€. Each kanji for “saya†reads as follows;

紗 – sa or sha

綾 – aya

 

So, the correct reading for 紗綾 was “sa-ayaâ€, and it became to read “sayaâ€. The term “SHA-AYA†does not seem to be commonly used.

 

BTW, saya normally means figured silk fabrics. And the pattern in question was often used on the fabrics, so the pattern became to be called saya-gata.

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Just browsing tokugawa art and saw this..... they describe the silver inlay as SAYAMON.... presumably a bastardization of SAYAGATA and RAIMON.... :dunno:

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Looks like im going to have to give up prosliver if we keep getting post in red and green...very hard to read :soap:

 

no idea what you're talking about Stephen..... look fine to me..... :roll: ;) :badgrin:

 

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Bugyotsuji Grand Master

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This looked like an interesting meaty thread so I got ready to go back and read the whole thing.

 

It was disappointing to discover a series of links to eBay with no comment in many cases. At least we can click on the links, I thought, but no, most of them are no longer available... :roll: I've missed the boat. :freak:

 

If a late comer might be allowed to make a suggestion? When the links to the eBay auction are worth keeping, can we not save the pics and post them for more 'permanent' reference.

Pretty please with sugar on. :D

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It seems to me, you won't get bored with manji and sayagata themes. Let me put my few cents to this discussion with few examples, which I hope will be helpful for everyone who is interested with this symbols.

 

1. The first one is quite similar to the one from Haynes catalogue, mentioned at the bottom of page 8 of this discussion. I have no idea what school it might be, a years ago Nobuo Ogasawara mentioned it might be similar to Busho Ito.

It is shakudo and sukashi work.

 

2. The second tsuba is Awa Shoami, maybe from 18th c., with gold inlay paulownias on the gold sayagata background.

 

3. And the 3rd one with "window" opening and a lattice motif. And sayagata all around it. No idea on the school here :dunno:

 

All of them are the property of National Museum in Krakow (Poland)

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Brian

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Very nice Michal, thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

 

I love those fine sukashi designs, although they aren't as sought after as old iron. Some very nice ones there.

 

Brian

Michal Apprentice

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Ok, I'll share this one with you :D

 

Sukashi motifs can give you sometimes a real headache during resolving of their meaning. Here we've got a tsuba with motif described usually as a lattice (Akasaka or Owari).

 

Hey! Am I the only one who can see a manji there with the center point in nakago ana :crazy: :freak: :?:

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