Bungo Posted December 26, 2006 Report Posted December 26, 2006 it says the f/k is Sendai ( a blatant attempt to cross the 7th lap ) milt The ronin Quote
Stephen Posted December 26, 2006 Report Posted December 26, 2006 Ronin, to keep this post on Topic...do you think the tsuba and kashira are modan? Quote
Bungo Posted December 26, 2006 Report Posted December 26, 2006 I think they are late edo, Sendai works. milt The ronin Quote
Nobody Posted December 26, 2006 Report Posted December 26, 2006 Nashiji Aoimon chirashi Itomaki Tachi koshirae (梨子地葵紋散糸巻太刀拵), mid Edo period, Nagoya City Museum Quote
sencho Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Posted December 26, 2006 So the trend of using the SAYAGATA pattern in Koshirae has run for over three hundred years..... over four hundred at least if you include Pete's habaki !! .... and probably years before..... what are the earliest examples anyone knows of of this design being used in Koshirae....? Big Mo has dated my koshirae (pictured at the beginning of this post) to the same period as the blade which was Tensho 1573.... I assume the f/k are from this period..... the intricate and dimensionally accurate standard of the workmanship of the SAYAGATA / KEYFRETT /RAIMON designs just blow my mind. Thanks Moriyama san for posting the tachi koshirae .... or following on from my newly found play on words in the Japanese language (and Milts squid posts) I should say.... : Ashigatou Gozaimasu !!! - by IKA ! あしがとうございます！ ― イカ he he he.... cheers Quote
Thierry BERNARD Posted December 27, 2006 Report Posted December 27, 2006 hi here an over tsuba with this pattern on ebay http://cgi.ebay.fr/Antique-Japanese-Iro ... dZViewItem Quote
Somin Posted December 27, 2006 Report Posted December 27, 2006 FYI - The http://tsuba.jyuluck-do.com links at the start of this post also sells under the eBay ID MOEYODRAGONS His name is Hiroyuki Shimoda if anyone knows anything more about his stuff. I have a nice Kozuka from him and he was very helpfull. Pez Quote
Bungo Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 we are going to " stay the course " and pass the 8th lap !! all taken from Christie's Raymond und Frances Bushell's collection sale Oct.98. the koz are Kaga school and the tsuba is listed as Tanaka school milt THE ronin Quote
sencho Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Posted December 31, 2006 Absolutely beautiful, Milt.... Do you know the age of these peices? Quote
Bungo Posted December 31, 2006 Report Posted December 31, 2006 the koz are late Edo,as is the tsuba which is signed " ho ( dedicated ) Iida Roko mei, signed and dated to Koka san Hinoe Uma ( 1846 ) Nanryo ( August ) Oe Suimon, Kiyotoshi ( seiju ) Hogen Tsutsushinde Kore Tsukuru above direct quote from the sale catalog. milt The ronin Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted January 2, 2007 Report Posted January 2, 2007 guys i just bought what i think is an incense burner/bronze pot thingie which has the same patterns on it.... dont have a cam here yet but will try to use the webcam to make some pics you might be able to tell me wether or not its Japanese... KM Quote
sencho Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Posted January 10, 2007 It will never die!! here is some more habaki's that I have just found with the SAYAGATA pattern on them..... Cheers Quote
sencho Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Posted January 10, 2007 .... and a few more.... Cheers Quote
Bungo Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0072495553 lower right pic milt the ronin Quote
sencho Posted January 13, 2007 Author Report Posted January 13, 2007 got to get to 8 soon , Milt, More SAYAGATA (the pattern of interlocking Manji (swastikas)) Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 13, 2007 Report Posted January 13, 2007 Heyyyyyyy..... no fair!!!!!! The 'here it comes 'post' jumped the queue. John :lol: Quote
Bungo Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 the koz is based on the six famous poets theme......... I have it in the Japanese legends and myths book which I will quote in later message just to push this pass the 8th laps.......... over 3000+ served ( ops, I mean read ). Must be a record in any message board on one theme !! milt the ronin Quote
Bungo Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 correction.............. over 4100+ read !! All time record on this list. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0072495553 the theme is " rokkasen " but lower right pic ties this to the topic of pattern. The six are............ Sojo Henjo, Ariwara no Narihira, Bunya no Yasuhide, Kisen Hoshi, Ono no Komachi, and Otomo no Kuronushi. Other lista may have Abe no Nakamaro, Hitomaru, Akabito and Tsurayuki. Above info is from Joly's Legend in Japanese Art. milt The ronin Quote
sencho Posted January 14, 2007 Author Report Posted January 14, 2007 Hey Milt and John.... (sorry about that earlier John!!) See here another kozuka with Sayagata.... "the 3 Gods Design. These gods are called Sanfukujin, Gods of Happiness & Luck" 1 hour and a bit to go on this one... Quote
Guest Simon Rowson Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 Well lookie here......I was visiting an antique fair in Tokyo today and, whilst walking past a particularly smelly drain, I noticed a familiar pattern on it's manhole cover. I'm looking out for one with gold inlay! :lol: Simon Quote
Brian Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 Ok..I am not sure how to take that one :lol: Tokyo has really pretty manhole covers This is an interesting theme, and we have demonstrated how prevalent it is in Japanese culture. Strikes me as a really good theme for a collection..similar to Ken and his mantis theme. Btw...if anyone is so inclined...it would probably make for a great article or theme for the JSSUS or NCJSC newsletter. Brian Quote
Brian Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 John, on that top one... Is that inlayed/carved....or is that entirely sukashi Brian Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 Hi Brian, It does look sukashi and if it was what an extraordinary tsuba that would be. However it is gold inlay. The English caption alludes to the fact it is not sukashi because the black and white plate gives that look. The manji formed at certain nexi really stick out in this one, eh? John Quote
Bungo Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 Brian said: John, on that top one...Is that inlayed/carved....or is that entirely sukashi Brian While going through the Haynes catalogs, i have seen MANY examples of the pattern........... the top one is a sukashi. Surely, we'll pass the 9th lap ? milt the ronin Quote
sencho Posted January 14, 2007 Author Report Posted January 14, 2007 Apparently not Milt.... sukashi, not 9th lap.... says under the photo.... "Gold Inlay (not Sukashi)" However, have you seen examples of sukashi using this pattern.... that would be some serious workmanship... cheers Quote
Bungo Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 sencho said: Apparently not Milt.... sukashi, not 9th lap.... says under the photo.... "Gold Inlay (not Sukashi)" However, have you seen examples of sukashi using this pattern.... that would be some serious workmanship... cheers I swear the identical example in haynes catalog says.........sukashi. I will go take pics of the catalog and post later to pass the 9th lap. milt Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 When I look at it it seems to be sukashi. The book says no. I defer to the book until the author recants. You all may be right though. John Quote
Bungo Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 in one of haynes catalog, lot 182 shakudo cut out tsuba.................. milt the 9th lap ronin Quote
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