Whats this ? Hataraki or ?

[John A Stuart]

So the Shitahara school predominately follows a Soshu tradition, I think. Anyway, is it not correct in the shinto tokuden to use waki before the main influence used by a particular school, like when different styles are combined, but, one is dominant within that group? ie. Mihara= waki Yamato. John

[Chishiki]

Well, it's taken a while to extract my foot from my mouth. I only missed by a long way. That was a really tough one. Out of interest what paper does the sword have? Hozon, tokubetsu kicho, NTHK? Just for my own information. Until next time!!! Mark

[reinhard]

Hi Larry,

 

Returning to your question at the beginning of this thread: The coarse structures you can see in your blade's ji-hada are typical for Bushu-Shitahara school. Although Nagayama Kokan classifies it among the ones related to Soshu-Den, its style is quite unique, incorporating mokume with "whirlpool-structures" resembling ayasugi-like hada. Probably it is this particular feature you can see on your blade. Added a close-up of a TERUSHIGE blade illustrating this very phenomenon.

 

reinhard

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  Chishiki said:

Well, it's taken a while to extract my foot from my mouth. I only missed by a long way. That was a really tough one. Out of interest what paper does the sword have? Hozon, tokubetsu kicho, NTHK? Just for my own information. Until next time!!! Mark

 

NBTHK papers. I'm pretty sure it's just Hozon

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  reinhard said:

Hi Larry,

 

Returning to your question at the beginning of this thread: The coarse structures you can see in your blade's ji-hada are typical for Bushu-Shitahara school. Although Nagayama Kokan classifies it among the ones related to Soshu-Den, its style is quite unique, incorporating mokume with "whirlpool-structures" resembling ayasugi-like hada. Probably it is this particular feature you can see on your blade. Added a close-up of a TERUSHIGE blade illustrating this very phenomenon.

 

reinhard

 

I'm glad you got back to my orig. question. I need to look up Nagayma Kokan (I'm assuming N.K. is a source of reference) the blade does have a bit of ayasugi but not near as pronounced as on the pic. you posted. I need to go back & study that hada some more. The more I learn the more I see. I do have one more sort of general question though I'm thinking that the coarse structures in the hada come from the quality of the smith not the quality of the steel he used to make the blade ?

Thanks again

[Brian]

The Connoisseur's Book of Japanese Swords - Nagayama Kokan

Standard reference work in English, and a must-have.

 

Brian

[reinhard]

Hi Larry,

 

I guess you're right. The coarse inclusions are due to the unique workmanship of Bushu Shitahara smiths and not to steel quality. Creating pure ayasugi-hada, as the Dewa-Gassan smiths did, demands special processing and does not depend on steel quality. This can by seen on later copies by Osaka-Gassan smiths, made of a different kind of steel. The example posted, is not supposed to show a "prototype reference" type. Bushu Shitahara blades come along in different variations. Some of them with ayasugi-like structures and others with coarse inclusions of a different shape. - Having neglected this school until now, I've got to work on this one. Thanks.

 

reinhard

[reinhard]

  Link said:

Any way I have been comparing my sword to the Connoisseurs book of Japanese Swords

 

Seems you've got this one already (=written by Nagayama Kokan)

 

reinhard

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  reinhard said:

  Link said:

Any way I have been comparing my sword to the Connoisseurs book of Japanese Swords

 

Seems you've got this one already (=written by Nagayama Kokan)

 

reinhard

 

I told you Dumb-Ass is a much better fit for me than newbi.

Thanks again