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This particular sword caused quite a commotion on Facebook today but I’ve been advised by experts that this one has all the traits of a Gimei including badly stamped Kikusu-mon

 

whats the consensus of this board?

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Bruce Pennington Grand Master

Bruce Pennington

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His pics over there are better.  I'm no mei expert, but I thought the mei was poorly cut, but then I've pooh pooh'ed poor mei before that turned out to be legit.  The kikusui looks brand new, but then I think it was just cleaned by who ever did the polish.  The date shows better over there too, and is corroded but could be Showa 11, 1936.  Was the Shrine producing blades in '36?

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vajo Grand Master

vajo

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Im not sure that it is gimei. The kikusi mon looks sometimes a little bit loosy.

 

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from aio arts - yagumo yokota masatome

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Toryu2020 Grand Master

Toryu2020

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Well if Vajo has given us a valid example there are worlds of difference here - number one the finish of the nakago - kesho yasuri plus deeply cut sujikai versus kiri - the "hand" in Vajo's sample is simple wonderful, deep and flowing versus a rather clunky look to the makers name especially - the tsuki-hi looks almost sosho but that could be because the faker doesnt have to copy characters he writes everyday...

 

The sword did sell so, good on him.

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vajo Grand Master

vajo

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Like all that swords there is a wide range of posibilities. Minatogawa swords are more rare than yasukuni-to. Many of that sword lay somewehre in the pacific. So it is not easy to compare that swords against each others. I'm honest - i didn't know if it is gimei or not. For what price is it gone? 

DoTanuki yokai Mentor

DoTanuki yokai

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18 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

I’m not bothered by the kikusui.  They weren’t stamped, they where each hand made.  You can see many variations here:

 

 

I knew that we had this thread some time ago but couldnt find it. 

I think they look obviously not stamped.

Thanks Bruce

 

I also want to add that in my Opinion the Mei is well chisseld and i cant see why someone say it is poorly made.

Im not saying it is legit and im like others not an expert.

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TheGermanBastard

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I had been offered this sword, too at 2k but then the seller disapperared. So I guess it is not necessarily a scam as he would have done his best to "sell" the sword to as many people as possible. So I keep my fingers crossed that your friend will receive the sword soon.

 

My personal take on the sword is after a long study that it may be legit work by that smith but having had the mon added later on. The workmanship in the blade seems to be good and correct for the smith while teh signature is pretty different, especially the positioning of it.

 

Would be nice if this went to someone knowledgeable who can come uop with a good oppinion on it.

Ray Singer Grand Master

Ray Singer

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The buyer just updated me that he heard back from Michael last night.

And to add, the reason the buyer involved me was that the sword had been sold within a group I manage. Hopefully everything works out well for both parties moving forward.

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crotalus358 Rookie

crotalus358

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Hello, All.

 

I am the buyer of this sword; unfortunately, I do not have it in-hand to provide any more detail or information on it.  I paid for said sword on Friday, October 22, 2021 and, to date, the seller, Michael Dumas, has not shipped the sword and continues to provide reasons why it has not been shipped.

 

I have opened a claim with PayPal, as I paid via Goods & Services (highly recommended for dealing with unknown entities), and I have until the 16th of this month to escalate the claim.

 

For anyone else that has been approached by this seller, I would recommend taking a look at my experiences herein and proceeding accordingly.  Needless to say, a very aggravating situation to be in.

 

I will gladly provide updates as the situation changes.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

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crotalus358

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Update: Just received a FB message from Michael with a photo of the shipping receipt.  Delivery is due to me by this Friday - I'll keep this thread updated.

 

Special thanks to Ray Singer for his input and assistance on this issue.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

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crotalus358 Rookie

crotalus358

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I did receive it, but have not had time to take photos for the group due to work.  As soon as I get some spare time, I'll post photos - hopefully today or tomorrow.  Thanks!

 

Steve

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