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gumanthon Enthusiast

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Hello All, I have just bought these two swords. I beleive one to be around the 1550 period I have attempted to read the mei Tsuguhiro probably dates to the Koto era. The second sword I beleive to be around the 1900's and have tried to read the mei Kanemune Saku. Both of them have a good wavy hammond but can only be seen easily in the polished one. I am sure these are hand forged unless someone can tell me different. If anyone can give me any info on either of them I will be very grateful thank you. Regards John. :glee: :glee: :glee:

 

Overall length 34 7/8" 35 1/2"

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Brian

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John,

Haven't loaded the first 3 pics yet, but at first glace, when you see this style of "chippy" looking mei, you should be thinking Showato, WW2. Not saying it is yet..but that is what I first notice on WW2 mei, especially mass produced blades.

 

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paulb Grand Master

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I am sure some one with better eyes and Kanj ability than me will correct this but at first sight it looks like a very worn Omi Daijo Tadahiro. Cant see enough to validate the authenticity or otherwise. Agree the second one looks to be a showa-to

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Paul

Mark Green Experienced

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Is there no 'Stamp' on the modern sword?

And I would say you guys are right on with the Tadahiro.

We need some much better pics of that one.

Tadahiro is a big name in Hizen. 1600's shinto

reinhard Proficient

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Hi John,

 

There seems to be a confusion about printed and written kanji. I'm sure the TSUGUHIRO meant here is the following one. On the left is an example given in Nihon Toko Jiten by Fujishiro, on the right another one given by Kanzan:

 

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gumanthon Enthusiast

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Hi Everyone,

Thank you very much for all your very interesting debate regarding the swords. The older sword sounds as if I may be lucky and I have hit on a good one maybe. The showato sword is probably still a good buy for me I will post some more pictures I do not know if the pictures will be of much help because the blade is not polished.

Thanks all again for your help.

Regards John. :bowdown: :clap:

gumanthon Enthusiast

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Hi all, Thank you for making the pictures clearer John . I know it is very difficult witthout a full polish and with the staining but do the pictures show any possiblity of it being a TSUGUHIRO. or any other oppinions now you have the other pictures.

Kind Regards John

John A Stuart

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I have no oshigata of this smith. To verify characteristics of this smith you will have to see if they are in your sword. The Echizen school which Tsuguhiro belonged followed the Mino tradition and thus look for masame in the shinogiji and mokume in the hira. Perhaps there is muneyaki and the hamon vary, but, generally are in nioi-deki. The nakago is kengyo on your sword, that fits, can't make out the yasurime. Can you define the hamon gunome-midare? John

reinhard Proficient

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...but do the pictures show any possiblity of it being a TSUGUHIRO?

John

 

Nobody will be capable of giving you an answer on the basis of amateur-pics (no offence). Most reliable source of information is the mei once more. In case you want to investigate any further by yourself, here's a hint what to look for in this particular example: sharp respectively rounded angles in the writing of the name TSUGUHIRO. This is not an expertise, however. Just a notion.

TSUGUHIRO was well known and oshigata can be found in ShinTo Hen by Fujishiro, in ShinTo oshigata by Sato Kanzan, in ShinTo Taikan by Iimura and in other books. Maybe you can get one or more of these. I recommend them all.

For background information: TSUGUHIRO belonged to the group of sandai (third-generation) YASUTSUGU of Echizen Shimosaka group. This is where you should look for parallels in workmanship.

 

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John A Stuart

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Omi Daijo Fujiwara Tadahiro. It would be nice to see it photographed so you can see something of the blade. Reinhard, I leaved through too quick and missed those oshigata, seeing only the other Tsuguhiro's. John

loiner1965 Experienced

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Omi Daijo Fujiwara Tadahiro. It would be nice to see it photographed so you can see something of the blade. Reinhard, I leaved through too quick and missed those oshigata, seeing only the other Tsuguhiro's. John

i will ask him john as he keeps it locked away after someone told him who it was made by years ago.....

Brian

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Reinhard,

Are you saying you know this particular sword?

Is it published, or do you just recognise it from the pics? If so..I certainly hope the owner knows what he has, and is taking good care of it. Would deserve a full polish and papers if it is a known blade.

 

Brian

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