Thekirsh Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Hi Guys, Once again I would like to ask for some valued opinions on this unpapered wak. The flaw appears on one side only The question - is this karasuguchi fatal? Are they all classified as fatal? Thanks Simon Quote
Grey Doffin Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I would say unfortunate, but not fatal. Grey Quote
Mark Green Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 IMHO unsightly, but not fatal. Mark G Quote
Stephen Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 called tori nokuchi, see file of kizu Quote
remzy Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 GregD said: This is fatalGreg Ouch Greg, now that is a REAL bummer! the boshi could pop off with the slightest misplaced hit when handling the blade! :? looks like a good looking one too! Quote
Nobody Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Stephen said: called tori nokuchi, see file of kizu Your reference seems to be wrong. The correct term for the flaw is Karasu-guchi (烏口). The first kanji is not Tori (鳥 = bird) but Karasu (烏 = crow). Quote
Thekirsh Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Posted February 5, 2009 Thanks for the replies I am hoping to put this blade into Shinsa in Sydney and was unsure. Is it ok to submit blades with such a flaw ? The blade is signed Etchu no kami Masatoshi. Simon Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 In your kizu file, Stephen, I notice that c. on that list is given as Karasuguchi. Quote
Stephen Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Its from a old book, us old folk who remember when the dead sea was sick should get updated now and then huh? Quote
angkorwat Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 How bad does the crack has to be in order to be fatal? The Google examples I assume are exaggerated and obviously FATAL. I just got a sword and didn't notice the flaw until I really inspected the blade at home. Thanks, Leroy U. Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 A fatal flaw means that the sword, when used, might break or chip considerably. At least, that is my understanding. KM Quote
Geraint Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Quote Its from a old book, "Sword and Same", doesn't get any better than that Stephen! Quote
angkorwat Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 I feel like "that guy" who bought it... Thank you. Leroy U. Quote
cabowen Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 In this case, it looks like it could be removed by a slight reshape of the kissaki so I would say no, it isn't fatal. Quote
Brian Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Chris, The interesting question is would a shinsa (I expect all organizations would have the same policy) pass a sword like this, or require the crack to be polished out before resubmitting? I expect they would pass it, but curious. Brian Quote
cabowen Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 I can't say with certainty what the NTHK-NPO would do. My best guess is they would pass it (provided everything else is kosher) but it would probably score low. I can't speak for the other organizations. Quote
Dr Fox Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 To buy a sword with this defect, I would expect the price, to have an allowance for the remedial work to be costed in. That in itself could make a sale a non starter. Unless this blade came to me at a ridiculous offer, I would pass on it. There is no shortage of no-trouble swords out there, even papered examples. There is always a danger with buying swords, that are not in hand. It is a risk, there is no substitute for the buyer examination. Chris pointing to the possibility of a low score on shinsa, answers well as to expected condition of any blade. Quote
Thekirsh Posted October 27, 2014 Author Report Posted October 27, 2014 The blade did go to shinsa and received a score of 72. It was papered to Sandai Etchu no kami Masatoshi and shown as one of the best blades at the shinsa closing. The flaw was never mentioned. :D Simon. K Quote
cabowen Posted October 27, 2014 Report Posted October 27, 2014 Wasn't the NTHK-NPO....72 is a low score, regardless.... Quote
Mark Green Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 The flaw was never mentioned????? WTF? Mark G Quote
Thekirsh Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Posted October 28, 2014 Mark No mention of the flaw at all which is why I was pleased with the result. Chris I thought 72 was a good average score but maybe it was marked down due to the flaw? I still enjoy alot. Simon K Quote
cabowen Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 The scoring for kantei-sho (second level) is from 70 to 79 so 72 is at the bottom of the scale.... Quote
Dr Fox Posted October 29, 2014 Report Posted October 29, 2014 Thekirsh said: MarkNo mention of the flaw at all which is why I was pleased with the result. I still enjoy alot. Simon K Simon thats all that matters. Quote
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