Guido Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Wow, a Kiyomaro for only US $ 2,250 - who said that there are no bargains anymore? Quote I'm selling a beautiful antique Japanese sword here, signed by Kiyomaro.Kiyomaro was a famous smith from the Shinshinto era. This sword has a stylish gunome midare hamon which sparkles in the light. http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=93416 Quote
DirkO Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Wouldn't it need a polish and some saya fixing ? That would add to the price I guess... Quote
Brian Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Guido..where is that "tongue in cheek" smiley Yes, I am sure James and anyone who frequents that forum are fully aware it is gimei. If they aren't..they need to play a bit more on eBay Brian Quote
DirkO Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 The undertone totally escaped me, I walked right into that one Quote
Ted Tenold Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Brian said: Guido..where is that "tongue in cheek" smiley Yes, I am sure James and anyone who frequents that forum are fully aware it is gimei. If they aren't..they need to play a bit more on eBay Brian Sorry, but I disagree. If James knows for sure, then he should say so, period. And given the numbers of newbies that are introduced at SFI, and the some of the most basic questions that get asked, I wouldn't say conclusively that any great number would know a gimei from a shoshin. It's not a dig on the forum or the members on my part, it's just a very "entry level" forum from a Nihonto standpoint. I don't know about the other gendre forums there as I don't have interest in them. Gimei need to be disclosed as such if they are known to the seller, especially to the new and unitiated. If he knows it's gimei, he needs to say so in the interest of full disclosure. If he believes it's righteous, then perhaps he wouldn't have a problem with a gaurantee that it pass shinsa, and if it comes back gimei issue a full refund. The description doesn't imply any suspicion, so in fairness, why should the seller have any lack of faith? Too many people these days use that old latin sheild "caveat emptor" as an excuse to flog whatever, where ever, for any price. It's just too much like saying, "The burdeon is on you to make sure I don't shaft you, and if I still do, well too bad, the burdeon is on you to be". Maybe this is the way the world works these days, but that doesn't make it right. Quote
Brian Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Agree with you Ted. It should be stated, and if it hasn't been verified at all, then something should be added like "Probably not THE Kiyomaru of course, and most likely gimei or it would be 10 times that value" or similar. This isn't just a problem with online sales of course. Most of the big auction houses do the same thing (ascribed to/signed with/signed by) and eBay...well we all know that one. I guess nowdays anyone who knows a little about Nihonto should be assuming gimei unless his extensive knowledge tells him otherwise. But that doesn't help the beginners and those who can't resist a "possible sleeper" and there are lots of those. Priced as gimei, and not a bad price if it was mumei..but your points are completely valid. I guess I give too much credit to people who should know it can't be shoshin, and yet we should remember that there are many who are still starting out and don't know better. Brian Quote
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Let's straighten the things a little... http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread ... ost1055992 Quote
James Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Hey guys Sorry for any sense of deception / dishonesty in this advertisement on SFI - it was not intended. I cannot edit my original post in the ad so I will post again and say that it is a gimei. Thanks for bringing this up and alerting people to this kind of thing. Quote
Guido Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Posted January 14, 2009 I didn't realize before that "J. Ottaway" of SFI and "James" of NMB are the same person - not that it would have changed what I posted. IMO there's a marked difference between writing "signed Minamoto Kiyomaro, dated xxx [even without adding "but I think the signature is not reliable"]"), and "it's signed by Kiyomaro the famous Shinshintô smith". And the difference isn't merely a matter of semantics. Anyhow, I'm not going to flogg a dead horse, and I think all has been said in this matter. Quote
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