unusual long ware - part 2

[shibeni]

Hi all,

Posting more better pictures of very unusual long ware on 28 3/4 inch sinshinto mumei long katana (handachi). Looks like that on some areas ware passes hamon?, or runs close above it. How fatal is this?

 

I will post more pictures and description of this heavy blade, unfortunately it has kizu, and it is out of polish....and the sword is not the object of buying or selling! Yes, I have this sword now in my "collection".

 

Regards,

Bojan

 

 

My post on this tema:

(http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3264 )

[Mark Green]

Hi Bojan,

Are you sure that is a Ware, or kizu, it doesn't look open in any way to me.

I'm a bit more worried about that big crack looking thingy in your first pic. Or is that just a big scratch???

The Ware looks just like a dark line to me.

Mark G

[Brian]

I'm wondering if this sword doesn't use a construction method where the harder edge steel is showing the boundary of the normal steel where it was folded? Something like the kobuse method might show a border where the transition is?

Just a theory..could be nonsense.

 

Brian

[Jean]

Agreed with Mark, it could be a hagire running through the hiraji but I have never seen such things

[shibeni]

Hi all,

on first picture (white vertical line) is a scratch, along the black line is wery thiny opening (ware?). Blade has also tempering clouds on shinogi ji area.

(I will post more pictures of the whole blade).

Regards,

Bojan

[Jacques D.]

Hi,

 

It seems called Yaki-ware

[remzy]

I dont know if this is a yaki ware, i doesnt look like one to me but there might be several kind! the one ive saw are more whitish than darkish like the thing in the pictures.

In my view this look more like a fold that didnt harder like the rest, but this is just speculations, so take with a grain of salt.

 

Regards

[shibeni]

Hi all,

can be sword with this kind of flaw acceptable in the way of sending it to a polisher, or it is worthless in the terms of Nihonto?

 

Thank you,

 

Regards,

Bojan

[shibeni]

Hi,

one close up picture of this crack, under more natural color.

Regards,

Bojan

[Mark Green]

That is a strange one for sure. In these last pics, It looks more like a deep scratch. I guess it is possable that it is some kind of welding flaw???

What age is the sword??

mark G

[John A Stuart]

All kizu detract from a sword. This thin ware which appears non-contiguous is a fairly minor flaw and just a forging flaw brought up by the last polish. I would focus on the good points of the sword. John

[remzy]

the latest picture does look more like a yaki ware for sure... might be something else but...

[shibeni]

Hi,

thank you for help on this unpleasant kizu, probably the right answer is that sword has also some yaki ware along the ji. This long katana gets few probably battle strokes (cuts) on shinogi and mune area, so this also may cause this cracks. I hope that blade is still worth to be restored (polished), because activity is very nice. I will post pict. of whole blade, just for impression of this long and thick blade.

Regards,

Bojan

[Marius]

Hi,

thank you for help on this unpleasant kizu, probably the right answer is that sword has also some yaki ware along the ji. This long katana gets few probably battle strokes (cuts) on shinogi and mune area, so this also may cause this cracks.

 

Bojan,

 

no kizu is pleasant I have just got a beautiful wakizashi, in perfect polish, excellent steel and hamon full of bright nie, and it had a hagire! The seller was a getleman and offered to take it back or slash the price by half. I have decided to keep it, as it is a beautiful sword. As John has rightly said "All kizu detract from a sword"...

 

I don't think the cuts on mune and shinogi would have caused this kizu, they would much rather result in a hagire. Please read this interesting article by the sword smith affiliated with the Usagiya sword shop (go directly to yaki-ware, you will see a picture of something similar to the kizu on your sword):

http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/flaws.html

[hillman]

Hi Bojan,

 

It was a nice surprise to find out that you now have this sword.

 

I was the original owner of this sword until a few years ago, when I sold it to a gentleman in Germany.

 

I had gotten it directly from the vet, and it had a leather covering on the scabbard. However, I could tell that there were handachi fittings underneath the leather, because the end was torn, but I didn't want to peel the leather off to expose this.

 

It is a really nice heavy blade with the balance toward the kissaki, per shinshinto typical design. I also liked the large nie particle on the hamon. I never noticed this "long ware" though, but maybe it was because I never looked at it in this level of detail. The one thing I did like was the large mokko tsuba.

 

Great to hear that you're considering restoring it, and I wish you many years of enjoyment with this sword.

 

Kade