lonely panet Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 iv not taken note of the types of shin gunto that has this feature, this is a koa isshin mantetsu so big ask to share for the sake of others, do they have them on seki- showa, RGT or higher 2 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 Two in my collection, Type 94 with Koto blade & Type 98 with Shin Shinto blade. Both have the steel sheet wrapped under the Samegawa rather than over it like yours. Quote
george trotter Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 I have seen a couple over the years also...all were like John's type. Regards Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 I think @Grey Doffin has some, or pictures of some like this. BTW do I have the date/serial numbers on that Mantetsu?! Quote
Dave R Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 I have a dismounted and relic tsuka that looks to have been on an old blade. 2 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted May 23, 2021 Report Posted May 23, 2021 Thats neat to see the full sheet, thanks for sharing Dave. I had thought this metal reinforcement was a custom request but seeing it on a Koa Isshin with factory mounts has me puzzled. Quote
Dave R Posted May 24, 2021 Report Posted May 24, 2021 12 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: Thats neat to see the full sheet, thanks for sharing Dave. I had thought this metal reinforcement was a custom request but seeing it on a Koa Isshin with factory mounts has me puzzled. As I understand it, Koa Isshin were all or mostly, pre ordered from the factory by the officer purchasing one. So just as a British officer ordering from Wilkinson could, would and did have his sword customised within regulatory limits, so could an IJA officer ordering from Mantetsu Co. or their agents. Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted May 24, 2021 Report Posted May 24, 2021 The one thing that makes me question that is the lack of Mon on Mantetsu swords, if they allowed customization a Mon is one of the few options they could deliver on a standardized sword. Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted May 24, 2021 Report Posted May 24, 2021 While I think it's possible SMR had been doing some of their own fittings, a large number of blades were shipped off to Tokyo, "unfinished", to fill Tokyo 1st Arsenal quotas. In 1943 (the only year we have a chart) they had to send 5,500. So lots of room for other fitting shops to get involved. 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted May 24, 2021 Report Posted May 24, 2021 These appear to be the specific SMR factory made mounts only seen on Koa Isshin though. Anyway, it is just my theory that Koa Isshin with these mounts were made in SMR factory and this is why we almost never see them with Mon. 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted May 24, 2021 Report Posted May 24, 2021 On 5/23/2021 at 3:35 AM, lonely panet said: koa isshin mantetsu @lonely panet do I already have the nakago pics and serial number on this one? Quote
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