Need Help Translating Juho-Token-Kenkyukai Paper

[stephane c]

Hi, this is my first post to this forum and I am glad that forums like these exist as they help people out greatly in their search for answers to the many questions that people run into during their journey to find the right Nihonto.

 

i m french on see a real nihonto on sale  but like some of us  ( i just want to ask  is the certificat is right

 

jyuhou TOUKEN KENKYU KAI certificate

 

I attached the photos the seller send to me

 

Before i buy it somebody could help N?

 

I was hoping that someone could help me translating these papers. Thanks in advance!

 

Edited March 27, 2021 by clstbis
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[Shugyosha]

Hi Clst,

Welcome to NMB. Something to get you going:

This is a katana with the signature 大和守藤原忠行 - Yamato kami Fujiwara Tadayuki. On the other side of the paper it says he is the 2nd generation (二代) signing with this name.

On the other side of the tang are the characters 豊後国高田住 Bungo Takada ju (residing at Takada in the province of Bungo) and a date - 元禄十二年八月吉日 - Genroku ju ni nen hachi gatsu kichi jitsu - a lucky day in August in the 12th year of Genroku (1699 - Genroku began in 1688).

If you are able to give us a first name that would be great - we use proper names on here rather than handles to keep things friendly.

[Bugyotsuji]

Too much to answer in one post. All your papers are on their side which adds difficulty to reading.

The bottom white sheet is a copy of a registration card for a Wakizashi with a different name, so it is unconnected.

The yellow papers are from an organization called the Jūhō Tōken Kenkyū Kai.

Not really possible to say if they are ‘right’ without seeing the blade! 😊

PS Thanks John, just seen your post.

[Shugyosha]

I didn't look at the registration card but, as Piers says, it is for a different blade than the yellow papers. That might set alarm bells ringing particularly if the sword is still in Japan so you should get pictures of the actual sword you are looking to buy and make sure the yellow authentication paper matches the picture of the tang in that paper.

[stephane c]

hi all , i putmy first name  for Shugyosha

 

so i m stephane c.  hello to help you all i will show all the photo of the blade

 

but what the two of you says the paper don't match so it don't begin well...

 

see the photo of the blade and really thank  all

 

 

 

here for the photo and the description post :

 

nihonto long sword katana signed yamato no kami fujiwara tadayuki and bungo no kuni takada jyu

with certificate jyuhou touken kenkyu kai

katana in very good condition from the Edo era August 1699

midare type hamon

blade: 63.6cm

curve: 2.7cm

total length: 94 cm

the bungo takada school was founded by tomoyuki the members of this school are known as fuijiwara takada as a surname in their signature their katana are made for practical needs they were sought after for their cutting and sturdiness

the ntk reviewer is makio satura known for his book tosogu no bi fine japonese sword fitting

the jyuhou touken kenkyukai appraiser is kabayashi yukinobu who deals only with swords c is a known polisher located in musashiya co. in osaka

i have also go to real dealer who have gallery and antique shop ( and the price are not the same xd )p but not the same thing

 

if this katana is wrong i will wait save money  and go here i think

 

 

https://kojiki-gallery.com/

 

go travel to Japan and take one back ( i heard there is retriction because of law ( protection  Japanese item)

 

 

 

 

 

[Shugyosha]

Hi Stephane,

The yellow authentication papers are for this blade so don’t worry about the white ones not matching. 

[stephane c]

i will wait tomorrow morning to buy it so and big thank  have a nice week end all

 

 

[Shugyosha]

If the  is a negative comment, this item is already in France so the torokusho (or paper copy) isn’t needed. 
 

https://www.naturabuy.fr/Nihonto-japonais-longue-epee-katana-signe-Tadayuki-avec-certificat-item-7487396.html

[stephane c]

inverse its very good comment thx for all   it s woot very thank i will buy it tommorow thank you john have a nice day

its always very dificult to buy antique when you dont speak the language so very thank to you two and big thx to john alias Shugyosha

[stephane c]

the seller back of  so back square one